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TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science

Updated Apr 22, 2014 By Cedric Demers
Comparison of television sizes
Distance:
Size:
480p
720p
1080p
4k Ultra HD
Size Width Height Area
32" 27.9"
70.9 cm
15.7"
39.9 cm
437 in2
0.283 m2
37" 32.2"
81.8 cm
18.1"
46 cm
585 in2
0.376 m2
42" 36.6"
93 cm
20.6"
52.3 cm
754 in2
0.487 m2
46" 40.1"
101.9 cm
22.5"
57.2 cm
904 in2
0.582 m2
50" 43.6"
110.7 cm
24.5"
62.2 cm
1068 in2
0.689 m2
55" 47.9"
121.7 cm
27"
68.6 cm
1293 in2
0.835 m2
60" 52.3"
132.8 cm
29.4"
74.7 cm
1538 in2
0.992 m2
65" 56.7"
136.4 cm
31.9"
81 cm
1805 in2
1.105 m2
70" 61.1"
155.2 cm
34.4"
87.4 cm
2102 in2
1.356 m2
75" 65.4"
166.1 cm
36.8"
93.5 cm
2407 in2
1.553 m2

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The science behind our TV size and distance calculator

Bigger and closer is usually better when it comes to choosing the perfect television for your room. Not only it is the biggest factor affecting the price of a television, but it also has a huge impact on the perceived picture quality.

Angular resolution

Angular resolution of a television
The closer you are, the lower will be your perceived pixel density

If you sit too close though, you will notice the pixels of the television even if you are watching a 1080p HD movie. By increasing your distance from the TV, the density of the details will also increase, producing a better image. This is the angular resolution: the amount of pixel per angle. The farther away, the higher the angular resolution will be.

Optimal viewing distance of a television by its size, for DVD, 720p, 1080p and Ultra HD (previously known as 4K) resolutions.
The chart also shows that the 4K Ultra HD resolution is not worth it if you are sitting more than 6' away and have a 50" TV. Your eye won't be able to tell the difference. Ultra HD only makes sense for a really big screen and if you sit close to it. Learn more about 4k UHD.
Screen SizeOptimal Distance
1080p
25"3.3' (1 m)
30"4' (1.22 m)
35"4.6' (1.40 m)
40"5.3' (1.62 m)
45"6' (1.83 m)
50"6.6' (2.01 m)
55"7.3' (2.23 m)
60"8' (2.44 m)
65"8.6' (2.62 m)
70"9.3' (2.83 m)

The limit that you can increase the angular resolution by stepping back depends on your visual acuity. At some point, your eyes are not good enough to distinguish all the details. Studies show that someone with a perfect 20/20 vision (or 6/6 in Europe) can distinguish something 1/60 of a degree apart. This means 60 pixels per degree, or 32.86 degrees for a 1080p television. Keep in mind that you can see a single pixel from further away (depending on its contrast with the rest of the picture).

If you want to learn more where that limit of 1/60 of a degree comes from, you can read the Wikipedia page on the visual acuity.

Using this data, the closest you can sit from your television while still maintaining the maximum perceived angular resolution is about 1.6 times the diagonal measurement of your television. For example, a 55" television will have an ideal viewing distance of 88" (55" x 1.6), or 7 feet and 4 inches. The following table gives you the minimal distance for watching a 1080p HDTV screen while keeping the angular resolution to the maximum that the human can perceive. The chart shows the optimal distance for the DVD (NTSC 720x480 or PAL 720x576), 720p, 1080p and Ultra HD (previously known as 4K) resolutions. Only the horizontal resolution is considered, which is why both NTSC and PAL DVD resolutions are on the same line.

How do you interpret the chart?

There are a few ways to read the chart. For example, let say that you have a 50" television. Start at the bottom of the chart at 50". Up to 3', you are below the blue line. This means you can see the pixels of an Ultra HD resolution. If you go back a bit (up in the chart), between 3' and 7' is where an Ultra HD resolution does not matter because you cannot see its pixel anyway. However, you are still too close for a 1080p resolution (it will not appear perfect). Above 7', the perceived quality will start to decrease for 1080p because your eye will not see all the details. You would notice the difference though it if is 720p. For more than 10', it does not matter if it is a 720p or 1080p HDTV, your eye is not good enough to see the difference. You will still see the difference for a standard resolution though, up to a 18' distance. To summarize, you can see the pixels if you are below the line but not above.

Ideally, you want to be exactly on the line for your TV size and media resolution.

Example of artifacts for the same resolution depending on the compression
Compression Artifacts

This takes into account a perfect resolution, which is never the case in real life. Even if you are watching an HD channel with a high resolution, there will be some artifacts due to the compression algorithm. Artifacts can appear in multiple forms like noise, blurs or a pixelated image (see the picture to the right). You will be able to see artifacts from farther away, so consider the above numbers as being for a perfect 1080p media. The numbers show the minimal distance where you start losing the advantage of the resolution.

Budget

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You are probably now thinking something like "My couch is 10' away from my TV, which according to the chart I need a 75 inch TV. This is insane!". Yes, if you want to take advantage of the full 1080p resolution this is the ideal size. This brings us to actual limitation of common people: the budget.

The price of a TV is exponential to its size, as shown in the chart. The chart shows the price range of all 2014 TVs by their size.

To know which TV has the best price/quality ratio for your budget and room, check out our TV buying tool. Alternatively, you can look at our best TVs of the year by size..

Conclusion

To figure out which size of a TV to buy, divide your viewing distance by 1.6 for a 1080p resolution (or use our TV sizes calculator above). You will see the pixels on bigger sizes and lose details on smaller ones. If the best size is outside your budget, just get the biggest TV you can afford.

Questions

Apr 20 2013
What is the best height above eye level to wall mount TV? What is the most commonly comfortable tilt angle to set TV on a tiltable wall mountings ? ie: All of DaVinci's great painting like Mona Lisa have subjects' eye elevation located a distance of 68% above the base of the painting.
There is no fixed answer because it depends on what you are watching. For example, if you play video games, the ideal height would varies if it is in first person or third person. For TV shows, is it a sitcom or news? You either want to match the director of photography's goal or the position of the camera. The same thing is true for the tilt angle, but practically, set it so your eyes arrive perpendicular to the screen.
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Mar 12 2013
Can't decide between 55" Samsung, Smart TV or 60" Samsung Plasma 3D Smart TV. Are there any significant issues or differences between LED and Plasma when it comes to 3D or Smart TV capabilities?
Smart TV capabilities are the same because manufacturers usually use the same software on both. For 3D, in this case both use Active 3D. There will not really be any difference if you are comparing a top LED vs a top Plasma. However, if you are comparing a mid LED to a mid Plasma, the Plasma will have less crosstalk because the TV is able to switch between images a lot faster.
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Jul 13 2013
I am planning to buy a 46 inch 3D LED TV (Samsung or LG). What is the best option and at what distance I should sit to have full resolution?
The best TV depends on your budget and personal preference. There is obviously not a single best TV for everyone, which is why we created this website. For a 46", the optimal distance is 6 feet for a 1080p resolution.
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Jul 08 2013
I have a 70 inches LCD TV but I noticed that my eyes are not comfortable watching the tv this size. I am wearing spectacles and I have checked my prescriptions and they are fine. When I watch tv programmes, I feel like my eyes cannot concentrate on the tv, it is like my left eye tends to go left and right eyes go right. It is a very uncomfortable feeling. My seating distance from the tv is approximately 9 to 11 feet. I have told my husband that the tv size is making my eyesight uncomfortable but he said that based on the study for 70 inch tv, the optimum distance is 9 to 10 feet. Can you help me?
Are you watching 2D or 3D content? Also, do you normally have problems watching close objects for an extended period of time (like a computer monitor)? The sensation that you are describing (your eyes tend to go their separate ways) is not really related to the size of the screen but the distance. The closer an object, the more your eyes need to point inward. The muscles of your eyes might not be used to point inward (for example, if you do not have a desk job). Your eyes should get used to it after a while, but if you still find it painful, tell your husband to increase the seating distance.
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Sep 21 2013
What TV size would be best to sit in a corner of a family room?
Use the calculator above and enter your viewing distance. In a corner, what matters most is the viewing angle of the television. Check out our article on this here and check our videos. Overall, for an LED, LG has better viewing angle than Samsung.
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Aug 18 2013
My living room is 25' long, which is the best size tv for that distance? I was thinking a 70 inch 1080p. In your opinion will that make for a good picture?
25 feet is quite far, even for a 70 inch. Hopefully your seating distance is closer than that, like half would be great.
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Nov 16 2013
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a 40" 1080p HD TV? I find 7.8 FT too close in my room.
You benefit from the 1080p resolution closer than 7.8 ft and you will see pixels at 5.2 ft. Of course, you can sit farther, but it is just that you won't see all the details (assuming you are watching a blu ray quality footage).
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Feb 16 2012
I am sitting at 7.3' for a 55" 1080p HD, but I can still see some pixels. Is it normal?
Even if your television resolution is 1080p, you need a 1080p media to have the full resolution. Also, a 1080p media will have artifacts, especially if it is a streaming feed or a television show. Algorithms that encode a media are not noiseless, there can be some blurry on the final picture. The optimal distance as listed above is an ideal case. In everyday life (except if you are only watching high quality blu-ray) you will need to stand farther from the television.
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Jan 02 2014
I will sit 7 feet far and thinking to buy a 50 inch tv. The size and distance will be great?
Yes, this is very good even for 1080p materials. You won't lose any details.
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Dec 19 2013
Couple questions: 1) What is optimal height on the wall for a 70 and 75 inch tv? 2) What is optimal distance in feet from a 70 and 75 inch tv?
1) This depends on your furniture and seating position. You want your eyes to arrive perpendicular to the screen. If you have a normal height sofa, this means the center of the screen is at about 4 feet from the floor. Some sofas have a more lay back seating position though, so you can put it higher and tilt the screen downward. 2) Between 10 ft and 15 ft if you are watching 1080p.
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Nov 28 2013
I'm 10' (3 meters) away from my TV and 90% of my shows are 720p, I'm planning to get the 60" F5300 from Samsung. Will that work fine or I need to get a smaller TV? I already have a 46" LED and I'm planning to replace it with a bigger TV.
At that distance and size, you will see some pixels/artifacts when watching 720p content. However, that shouldn't be a deal breaker considering the proportion of 1080p content will only increase in the next few years.
11
Mar 28 2014
I have a Sony 32 inch full HD LED. I am sitting at 10 feet away from TV, is it ok to see all the details?
When watching 1080p content, you are losing some details because you are too far. For a 32", you need to sit pretty close (5 feet) if you want to enjoy the full 1080p resolution.
10
Mar 22 2013
I am sitting about 10 feet from my 50 plasma full HD Samsung, what is the best resolution? I heard I have to lower it on my pc. What about 1600 by 900?
It is always best to set your PC to the screen native resolution. In your case, it is 1920 x 1080. Otherwise, the screen need to upscale the picture which will lose information and make it blurry.
8
Oct 14 2013
What does the value 4k mean in an UHD TV?
It refers to the number of horizontal pixels (contrary to 1080p which represent the vertical lines). The 4K term has been used for a long time now especially in the movie industry. Last year, the Consumer Electronics Association decided to rebrand 4k into Ultra HD for televisions, to make the name more consumer friendly.
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Nov 30 2013
I will be sitting 6 foot away from my tv watching mainly 1080p footage and playing PS4, what is the best screen size to purchase?
46" would be perfect.
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Dec 16 2013
I have used your size calculator but I am confused. At 10ft distance and 1080p, I get 75 inches. For 720p I get 51.5 inches. If I am mostly watching 1080i cable broadcasts, should I be considering a 55 inch or 60 inch.
At your distance, you will see artifacts when watching cable at both 55" and 60" sizes. Because you will probably watch 1080p materials from time to time, and the quality of cable will only increase over time, go for the 60" if it is in your budget range.
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Jul 08 2014
My viewing distance is 13 feet and want to buy 4k sony. Should it be 55 or 65 inches?
Go for 65".
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Feb 04 2014
I am planning to buy a Sony 70 inch smart 3D TV 1080p and sit about 12 feet away. Will the 720p broadcasts still look okay on a 70 inch screen?
You might see compression artifacts from time to time, but overall, it should still look pretty good.
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Feb 05 2014
I have a long rectangular room which is 22ft by 12ft with the tv in one corner. My lounge occupies two thirds of the length of room, with the remaining third being the dining table/area. My current TV is an old style 42 inch with a thick 2 inch bezel but I am looking to go bigger. I like the 46" with thin bezel but have found that the outer measurements are exactly the same as my existing TV and therefore thinking that I wont be able to tell much difference. The closest sofa to the tv is about 5ft and the furthest sofa being 14ft away. The dining table being 18ft away, although 90% of viewing is done in lounge. What size tv is best, 46 or 50 given the close proximity of the nearest sofa?
Your closest sofa is really close, but the other one far. Go for a 50" if it is within your budget. At the closest seat, it might be a little too big, but you will appreciate the bigger size from the other seats.
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Oct 09 2012
What do you think would the best choice considering that I will watch 720P and also 1080p video on my TV (blu-ray will be in 1080 but videotron will be in 720) ? Will it be better to choose 720p and lose the details in 1080p or to choose the 1080p optimal size but see pixels in 720p ?
You should use the highest resolution that you will watch, 1080p in your case. It is better to see the pixels on a lower resolution media than to lose details on a higher quality media.
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Mar 11 2013
Problem is that we all have material in various resolutions, so I'm not sure which size will work well in real life. 480p content is still very wide spread, which leads to very small screen size in the chart, and watching 1080p leads to a completely different size category, which won't work with the smaller size. So which size should I pick for, say 10', which will let enjoy 1080, yet not suffer when I watch 480p? Or should I sacrifice one over the other?
In case of a doubt, go for bigger. That way, you will appreciate watching quality 1080p content. Also, your TV will be more future proof because the resolution of the material will only go up in the future.
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Dec 16 2013
I'm at 10 feet. I'm not a gamer. I don't even have a Blu-ray hooked up. Most likely will be Netflix. I narrowed it to the Panasonic ST60 60 inch for $1,350 or 55 inch VT60 for $1,500. The salesman tell you how much better the VT panel is plus the sound but is the size/price a more important factor. Which would be the better buy for me?
Because you are not a gamer (so don't care about the input lag) and you probably also don't care about the fancy remote or camera, get the 60" ST60. The picture quality is very similar so you should go for the extra size instead.
5
Jan 07 2014
I'm sitting 8 feet from tv what is better 69 or 65 inch?
65" is good while 69" would be slightly too big.
5
Jan 27 2014
I have a 19" color TV. What is the minimum and maximum distance to sit?
At that small size, you need to be really close if you don't want to lose any details. Just try to be as close as possible for your room.
5
Dec 26 2012
I am planning to buy a 32 inch 3D TV (Samsung or LG). What is the best option and in what distance I should sit to have full resolution.
Most 32" have only a resolution of 720p instead of 1080p, because at this size you will have to sit very close to notice the 1080p. At a resolution of 720p and a 32" size, the closest you can sit without seeing the pixels is 6.2 feet. If you sit more than 11.4 feet, you will only see the information as if you were watching a 480p source instead. Useour calculator if you want more info. As for the best 3D TV at that size, you can also use our chart here. There is not a lot of 3D TV at 32", but the best one for the price would be the LG 32LM6200.
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Mar 10 2013
Does 24 inch full HD led TV produce the same quality as a 32 inch TV?
If it is the same model, yes, the quality will be very close. You do not need 1080p though for a 24" if you watch it from a distance; your eye will not really be able to see all the pixels.
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Feb 18 2014
I am planning to buy 32" or 40" TV and viewing distance is about 7-8 feets. What tv should I buy?
Check out our best 32 inch LED TV and our best 40 inch one.
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Jan 09 2013
Is resolution upscaling really effective for a Full HD TV when displaying standard definition TV programs ?
No, resolution upscaling is never good. To understand this, you need to think in term of the amount of information a video contains (or more specifically, entropy). A resolution that has 4 times the amount of pixels as a potential of 4 times the amount of information (the key here is potential, because if the whole screen is perfectly white, the total amount of information is very small). Resolution upscaling will always be worst for 2 reasons:
First, the television cannot create new information, it can only extrapolate from the available information. This means that the television cannot know what was between two pixels. So it will guess instead. Second, there is a loss of information when upscaling to match the desired resolution. Unless the scale factor is exactly a whole number (which is mostly never the case), some information will be loss by trying to fit 1 pixel into a fraction. For example, let say you want to upscale a 1x3 picture (consisting of a white pixel next to a black one and then a white pixel) into a 1x4. What do you do? The two on the side can be white, but none at the center can be black without deforming the picture, so it will mostly be gray.
As a side note, this assume the resolution upscaling is done on frames independently of each others. Technically, you also have access to information present on the previous and next frames. There are some research done in that field that do look promising, but the algorithms aren't really effective yet besides very controlled cases.
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Jan 16 2013
I understand most TV signals are standard definition. Will an HD receiver improve my picture quality on my LS4000? I am considering going to an antenna and would appreciate your thoughts on that.
If you are only watching channels in standard definition, it will not help to have a HD receiver. A HD receiver will only improve the quality of signals that are available in HD.
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Nov 25 2013
I am planning to buy Samsung F6300. Yet to decide on the screen size 50" or 55". My requirement is a Smart TV with great picture quality. My budget is $800. I wish to know whether my plan to buy Samsung F6300, a perfect decision for my requirements? And whether it is worth the price? And which size to go for 50" or 55", given the difference between the 2 sizes is $100?
The Samsung F6300 is a great choice, definitely worth the price. The only real downside is the narrow viewing angle (like all Samsung LEDs). If the price difference is only $100 for 5", go for the bigger size, you won't regret it.
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Dec 21 2013
What is the best distance to play games in a 43 inch Samsung Plasma TV HD Ready in order not to have vision problems afterwards?
HD Ready means a resolution of 720p. For a 43 inch, a distance between 8 ft and 15 ft would be good.
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Feb 23 2014
I have a 55 invh LG Google TV 1080p. I am approx. 11.5 feet away. Am I in good distance view?
It is about right, but you could sit a little bit closer when watching 1080p to fully benefit from it.
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Mar 01 2014
I just bought a 75 inch Samsung LED smart TV and sitting 11.5 feet away, coming off of a Sony Bravia 46 LCD TV. I am getting headaches and eye strain. Does this just get taking used to, or did I bought too big? Is the LED lighting a difference maker coming off the LCD which seems less bright?
If you can, try to identify what is giving you eye strain. The common causes are: 1) Flickering of the screen. LEDs don't flicker much so this is unlikely the issue here. You can try turning off the setting called LED Motion Plus, which increase the flickering of the backlight. 2) The screen too bright. This can easily be adjusted by reducing the backlight setting of the television. 3) The TV too close, but unless you are not used to watching a screen close (like if you do not have a desk job), it is unlikely at that size and distance.
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Apr 21 2014
I have recently bought an LG 42" smart TV and I don't know where to mount it in my studio apartment. I need to know the minimum height and distance for which to mount it because my options are few.
The closest you should sit to it is 6 feet. A height of 3 feet off the floor would be good (although this depend on your sitting position).
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May 11 2014
I bought a Samsung 60 inch LED TV (H6400). My viewing distance is 14 feet. Am I in good distance view?
You are a little bit too far for watching 1080p videos.
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Aug 18 2014
How far should the sitting distance be for a 55in Samsung UN55HU8500 4k Ultra HD - 3840 x 2160 resolution, clear motion rate 1200?
If you want to benefit from your 4k resolution, closer than 8 feet.
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Sep 02 2014
Is it possible for your team of experts to test and show results for the Sony KDL60W630B? This set has almost no usable information out there except what the manufacturer states. I would greatly appreciate the information. Thank you!
Maybe late fall but it is doubtful that we will have time for it unfortunately. Considering how good the W600B, W800B and W850B series are (in their respective price range), the KDL60W630B should also be good.
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Dec 06 2012
When do you think Ultra HD(4k) will hit mainstream and become widely available? Should I wait for it before buying a new television?
You should not wait for Ultra HD to become mainstream. Currently, the only 4k televisions available in 2012 cost more than 10 000$. It will probably take 5 years for Ultra HD to hit more affordable prices in the 2000$ range, and it will mostly be only for very big screen (> 60"). Anything smaller does not make sense for a resolution that big on a television.
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Aug 05 2013
How bigger is the size of movie in hd 1080p if its size in avi format is 1GB?
It could be any size. The resolution is not the most important factor of video size. The bit rate of the encoding is more important. A Blu-Ray movie has a normally a bit rate of 36Mbit/s, which correspond to about 20GB per full movie. However, a lot of encoded videos have a lower bit rate.
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Dec 28 2013
I'm on distance of 10 feet. Considering to buy P55ST60 or P65ST60. Unfortunately, in my country there is no P60ST60, which I prefer. I'll watch 1080p (3D also), 720p and digital cable tv (some HD channels included). What is the better choice 55" or 65" ST60 (or maybe P55VT60 for similar price)?
If you can afford the price difference, go for the 65" ST60. 55" vs 65" is a very noticeable difference, more than the picture quality difference between the ST60 and VT60.
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Apr 11 2014
Please help me deciding between 42" and 46". I have 12 feet as viewing distance and most of the content is 420p.
For 420p, you will pretty much see artifacts/pixelization no matter the size. The question then becomes about the immersion that you want. To be future proof, go for the bigger size (assuming its within your budget).
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May 07 2014
I am planning on a Sony 65 inch LED TV. My viewing distance is 10 feet. Is this ok?
Yes, this is good.
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May 10 2014
I have a 50" LG and viewing distance is 10-11 feet, will I notice a difference between 720p and 1080p?
Assuming perfect encoding, no.
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May 13 2014
The TV sizing guide is an excellent tool but I'm still confused. I sit 7 feet from the TV and want to purchase either a 32 or 40 inches screen Full HDTV. While I will mainly watch HD streaming from Netflix etc and Blu-Ray, if I get the 40 inch will I have a problem with the clarity of SD programs at 7 feet? Also, if I was to get the 32 ins, how much less detail am I likely to see on 1080p?
At that distance, you will see the pixels and artifacts with both sizes on SD content. As for the details of 1080p on the 32", you won't lose much details. You sit relatively close to your TV, so the smaller 32" isn't that bad.
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Jun 05 2014
I just bought the Samsung un55h6350. I have a viewing distance between 7-7.5 ft. Does this sound okay?
Yes, perfect.
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Jun 18 2014
In terms of picture quality vs size, sitting ~13ft back, would you recommend a 60inch Samsung F8500 plasma or a 65inch H7150 LED? They are both the same price and I can't decide if the improved picture quality of the plasma is worth losing the 4 inches of screen size.
It depends on your room type. If it is somewhat dark or the viewers are spread around the room, go for the F8500 because the better picture quality will be more apparent in these scenarios. Otherwise, the H7150 is still very good, so you won't be disappointed with it also.
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Jun 19 2014
I am torn between a Samsung H7150 75" (UN75H7150) and the HU8550 UHD 65" (UN75HU8550). If sitting 11-12 feet away, which is optimal? Leaning towards the bigger LED over the smaller UHD model...
As shown by our reviews, the picture quality is the same, so it is only a question of resolution/size/distance. At 12 feet, go for the bigger 75" instead of the bigger resolution. You will appreciate this more.
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Jun 29 2014
I'm just shy of 11' away from my TV and I mostly watch shows at 720p, I do however rent Blu-rays and want to get the best picture quality. I'm planning to get the 60" H7150. Will that work fine or would you recommend I get the 55"? The TV mounts above a fireplace mantel and is angled down.
Get the 60" even if you still watch a lot of 720p shows. You will appreciate the bigger size especially when watching Blu-ray movies. The Samsung UN60H7150 is a great choice.
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Jul 09 2014
Is 65 inches too big for sitting 8 feet from a 1080p set? Should I go with 60 instead? I want a full immersive experience for TV shows. Will I notice the pixelation?
It is borderline but it should be ok. The pixelation will depend on the bit rate of the content you are watching. You will definitely see artifacts on broadcasted HD channels, very few on streaming 1080p and none on Blu-rays.
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Jul 29 2014
I am planning to buy a 40 inch led tv and the viewing distance is 5 ft. Is it ok?
Yes, this is good.
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Aug 13 2014
I'm considering to buy a Samsung 75" UN75H6350. My viewing distance is about 10-12ft. I mostly watch HD cable broadcast. Will I see a lot of artifacts? Should I go for a 65" Samsung plasma?
You will definitely see some on HD cable, and even on a 65". Cable HD is low quality, so it can't be avoided if you want a big TV. Still go for the UN75H6350 though, unless you have a dark room where the Samsung plasma will perform better.
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Aug 13 2014
I have 28 inch Sony LED TV and my viewing distance is 8 feet. Is this a good distance for watching tv?
This is a bit small/far.
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Sep 15 2014
A week ago I purchased a 65" Samsung UN65HU8550FXZA 4K ULT with 3D and set it up 11' away, as it seemed too big any closer. From what I read on your site, this may not be optimal, yet we do not want to go bigger, as this TV seems plenty big. Can we get by with this size/distance ratio for now and decrease the distance to around 9.5' when 4K content hits? Right now we just watch Blu-Ray movies and some older DVDs along with sports. I still have the option to return the TV within the next 7 days.
Of course you can. It takes a while to get used to a big TV. It will make more sense to have it closer when 4k content hits.
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Dec 16 2012
I do not have a HD box yet for my LM4700 LG TV. Will the TV have a better picture with the HD box added? Of course it will be better but will the picture be clear or not without it?
Yes, a HD signal is a lot better than a standard signal. If you feed to the television a standard signal, it will upscale it to HD (to be able to display it in the television native 1080p resolution). However, it cannot create information that was not there in the original signal, so the upscaled version will still look blurry and not clear. The television will always just be as good as the signal you provide it, so invest in a HD receiver to receive native HD content.
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Dec 01 2013
I have a 29" Vizio LED 720P TV "1360 x 768" that I use as a work PC Monitor, I work as an internet manager for an large car dealership. How Close is too close to sit to the TV?
Anything closer than 5.6 feet and you will see the pixels of the screen. For a PC monitor, this is quite a low resolution for that size. That screen was more meant to be watched as a TV from a sofa than be used as a PC on a desk.
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Feb 16 2014
I have a 42" plasma TV and I am sitting 10 feet away. Is this correct?
Usually, 42 inch plasma are 720p. If that is your case, then yes, 10 feet is good.
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Feb 24 2014
Considering to buy 55" or 65" ST60 (60" not available in my country). I am about 9 feet from the current 42" HD ready plasma TV and it can be slightly adjusted between 8.5 - 9.5 feet. I am planning to watch more and more 1080p movies and would like to make a future-proof investment. But I will still watch some SD TV / DVD / 720p (for what is not available in higher resolution). 55" costs $1,550; 65" is $2,650. I am a bit afraid that the SD/DVD content will be terrible on the 65" at this distance, however I would like to maximize the 1080p and the 3D experience. Should I go with the 65", is it worth to compromise the SD/DVD experience in favour of the 1080p/3D experience?
Like you mentioned, in the future you will watch less frequently SD/DVD content. Therefore, it make more sense to invest in the bigger 65" than the 55". You will definitely see pixels and artifacts when watching SD content, but it shouldn't reduce your experience too much.
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Mar 14 2014
I'm planning to buy a 50" LCD HD TV. My viewing distance is approximately 10 ft, or maybe a bit less if needed. Would that be a good choice?
Check out our choice of the top 50" TV here.
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Mar 17 2014
What is the optimum viewing distance for a 65 inch Panasonic plasma full hd?
Between 9 feet and 12 feet.
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Jun 15 2014
I bought a 55 inch Samsung LED and just saw an ad for same TV but smart for $100 more. Will the picture be as good on a smart tv?
It will most likely look exactly the same. It is just the software that changes.
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Jun 30 2014
I have bought an LG LED/LCD 60 inch TV, I view it at 11 feet and I started having a headache and feeling of motion sickness, previously I used a 42 inch and had no problems, I can't go further away, what would be the correct size?
11 feet for a 60" isn't too close, but you might be sensible to this. But first, try to eliminate other possible causes. Lowering the luminosity of the screen or turning off the soap opera effect (TruMotion setting) will probably help.
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Jul 03 2014
I have a 42" Panasonic Plasma TV. My viewing distance is 11.5 Feet away. I watch mostly 720P broadcasted material and 1080P Blu Ray Content. Should I invest in a larger TV perhaps go 55-60" and 4K/Ultra HD? Waiting for a 4K Blu Ray Player...
A bigger TV is definitely an improvement for your setup. However, 4k Blu-ray don't exist yet and are still far away, so I wouldn't wait on that. 1080p is more than good enough for your distance and a 55".
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Jul 30 2014
I just moved to a new house where the distance from my sofa to the TV on the wall is 16ft. I have a Samsung D8000 46" and I'm finding it small. I am torn between the Samsung 55" f9000 and 65" f9000. Any thoughts?
At 16 ft, go for as big as you can afford. You can't big too big at that distance.
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Aug 15 2014
Does UHD upscaling help with minimizing the visual effects of compression artifacts? Pondering whether to buy the hu8550 65in or h7150 75in with a viewing distance of around 8-10 feet. Thanks for your help!
Not really. If a compression artifact is still visible on a 1080p TV when the noise cancelling algorithms are turned on, it will also show up on a 4k TV. Having more pixels to map into the low quality footage won't help. For your distance, it is a tough call between these two TVs, so just go with your guts feeling. You will be happy either way anyway.
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Oct 12 2014
I recently purchased the Samsung UHD 4K HU8700. It has a great picture, but after watching the TV for approximately one hour I am experiencing headaches. I adjusted the brightness, contrast, and my viewing distance. What do you think?
Headaches are usually caused by the flickering of the screen or an overbright screen. Bring down the 'Backlight' setting to reduce the luminosity of the screen. Also, play with the 'Auto Motion Plus' setting, because it does affect the flickering of the backlight.
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Aug 07 2013
I'm using a 23inch 1080p 16:9 monitor for my computer. How far should I sit from the monitor so i can get the perfect viewing angle and pixel density?
3 feet
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Aug 19 2013
We are planning on connecting a 27" iMac to two 60" LED TV's in our church service to project the words for our worship music. Any draw backs to using two tv's vs two monitors, which seem to be much more expensive. Max distance from the screens will be approximately 50'. Font size can be variable utilizing two lines (Max 3) on the screen at a time.
A monitor and a TV is the same (except for plasmas ones). It is just the set of inputs that change. All TVs now have digital inputs so two 60" LED TVs will work just fine.
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Sep 04 2013
I have a 32" HD ready LED TV which I use as a pc monitor. I also watch lots of blurays, so should I get a FullHD in order to get a better view even at close positions?
If you sit closer than 6 feet, yes.
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Dec 31 2013
Is plasma 46" TV good compared to 46" LED for my room of 16? Plasma is quite economical.
Check out our full article on plasma vs led. If you have a bright room, go for an LED.
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Jan 14 2014
I am sitting 6 feet from my tv. I am thinking of getting a 49 or 55 inch 4k tv when they come out. What size would be best?
Definitely 55". You won't notice the difference of 4k for a 49" at your distance.
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Jan 19 2014
I am planning to install a 90" (16:9, 1080p) television at 6'9" to center on a tilt-down mount with the use of recliners. What distance away would be appropriate for this scenario?
12 feet would be great for a 90" in a setup like yours.
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Jan 23 2014
I got a 70" sony led 3d smart tv. It's about 12 feet or so away. Is the tv too big and should it be smaller?
No, this is about right. It might feel a bit big at the beginning but you will get used to it and you won't want to go back to a smaller one.
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Jan 27 2014
I got a 55" Samsung and sitting approx 9 feet from the TV. After watching for awhile, it seems small. Most of time I watch 720p stuff. I am afraid that if I go any bigger its going to be blurry. Do you think the 55" would be ok for this watching distance?
9 feet for a 55" is great especially if you watch a lot of 720p. Indeed, if you go any closer or bigger, you will see more imperfections. At the end of the day though, it is still a personal preference and you might value more the immersion factor than the details density.
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Mar 05 2014
Do even the highest resolution TVs have artifacts? I seem to be getting a pulsating effect when looking at dark and light areas with some low resolution material. My screen is 70" and I am sitting about 9 ft from screen hung on the wall above head level when seating down.
Yes. Artifacts are caused by the content compression algorithms when a low bit rate is used. If your content isn't good, it doesn't matter that you have a high resolution TV, you will see artifacts.
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Mar 27 2014
I want to buy a 42 inch led Sony TV where my child and my self sit to view and watch tv for 2 hours. Please tell me the distance to sit?
Between 6 and 10 feet would be good.
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Mar 30 2014
We are looking to upgrade from a 55" LCD to a larger LED/3D. We have a sectional with the main viewing or "captain" seats are at 13.5'. The "L" part of the sectional is 6-8' and receives minimal use for viewing TV. We watch television and movies via satellite with limited gaming. What size and model would you recommend based on this? Our budget is 2000 plus or minus. Thank you in advance!
First off, do not expect a significant improvement of the picture quality (LCD panels have plateaued in the last few years). As for the size, you could go up to 75" for your distance, so you will be limited by your $2,000 budget. If you care more about size, the Vizio 70" E701i-A3 is great (about $1,700). Otherwise, the Samsung 65" UN65H6350 (about $1,750 currently) has more features/better design, which we should review next week hopefully. Both don't have 3D. If you really want 3D, you either have to pay about $400 more or opt for 5" less.
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Apr 04 2014
Is 75" Samsung LED with viewing distance of 9ft okay?
It is a bit too close. 10-11 feet would be better.
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Apr 06 2014
How far off the floor do I mount a 75 in led?
It depends on your seats. Usually, 2 feet from the floor is good.
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Apr 07 2014
The viewing distance in this particular room is approximately 20 feet. It is not possible to move the seating or the tv. The wall for the tv can accommodate nothing larger than a 60" screen. Does this mean I should be using a 480p tv?
Not exactly. It means you will not really see a difference between a DVD and Blu-ray in term of picture quality at that distance and size. All TVs of 60 inches are at least 1080p, but you can still play lower resolution videos.
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Apr 11 2014
I am planning to buy an LG LED 55LB6100. The distance from me would be around 2.4 meters. Looking at your values it would be a good distance but I have been reading about other recommendations (multiplying TV size by 2.5/1.5) which would result in bigger distances. What would you suggest for TV size?
Our recommendation tends to be on the bigger side, because usually people prefer this. Very few people wish they opted for a smaller one. Once they are used to it, most people will always want to go even bigger. Therefore, assuming it is within your budget, go for a 55". After the initial shock, you will like it.
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Apr 25 2014
I'm 15 ft away from the wall where my TV will be hung and I'm torn between the 65" Samsung UN65F6400 or a 60" Samsung UN60F8000. It's $500 more to get the UN60F8000. I'm afraid if I get the 60" it may be too small. I'm really torn, what would you suggest?
Go for the 65" F6400. The picture quality difference is small anyway between these two.
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May 05 2014
My viewing distance is exactly 11 feet away from the wall, I want to purchase a 78inch 4k tv but I'm unsure whether it is too big for the distance? What are your thoughts, should i go for a smaller 65inch 4k tv?
It is big, but not too big. If you go for a smaller one, you won't really benefit from the 4k resolution at that distance.
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May 14 2014
Is 11 feet from a 75 inch Samsung LED an OK distance to sit?
Yes, this is perfect.
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May 20 2014
Is 3.5m a good distance for a 55inch Samsung 4k UHD? Or shall I go for 60inch (Philips)?
At that distance, you do not need 4k. Go for a 1080p TV instead and save some money.
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May 26 2014
I am thinking of getting 55" 4k tv for 2.6m of viewing distance. Can you kindly advise?
At that distance, a 55" 4k isn't really worth it. 65" would be better to appreciate the bigger 4k resolution.
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Jun 01 2014
Is 3 feet too close for a 27 inch pc monitor?
No. If the resolution is only 1080p though, you will see the pixels.
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Jun 04 2014
My viewing distance is 85" away from my wall. What would be the biggest LED smart TV I should get, 50" or 55"?
50 inch would be good, although there is more choice in the 55" range.
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Jun 17 2014
My viewing distance is 10ft. What will be the exact size of the TV 48 inch or 55 inch?
If you can afford it, go for 55".
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Jun 17 2014
I am thinking about the new Sony XBR-X900B (79 inches). If I sit further than 10' away will it be meaningless? I've walked by 4K TV's in the store at far distances and they still appear to be crisper than 1080p tv's.
Were they both displaying quality content? Usually, retail stores display broadcasted 720p or 1080i content, highly compressed. Where as their 4k demos have pictures in very high fidelity and hand picked to show a picture where the sharpness is flawless (like a 3d rendering or a processed picture). For the 1080p TVs, the bitrate should be at least 20 Mbit/s (Blu-ray quality) to make a valid comparison.
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Jul 02 2014
My viewing distance is 4ft. What will be the tv size 28 inch or 32 inch? Hd led or full hd led?
Go for a 32" full HD 1080p LED.
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Jul 15 2014
Limited budget, 8 to 10 feet viewing distance, plan to place on a stand, tv watching limited to kids, evening, football...size and type of tv? No idea what to buy.
It all depends on your exact budget. At that distance, the budget will be your constraint instead of the size. For a good all around TV, check out the H6350.
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Jul 16 2014
I'm trying to decide between the Samsung UN60H6300AF (60 inch) or Samsung UN65H6300AF (65 inch). We will be viewing the screen from 10 to 11 feet away. We mostly watch cable TV, no games. Which one do you recommend?
Go for the 65" if the price difference isn't big.
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Jul 20 2014
Your reviews are the best. I watch mostly 720P broadcasted material and TV/DVD/720P (for what is not available in higher resolution). I am going to continue to watch TV/DVD/720P a lot in the future too. My viewing distance is 11ft. I have Samsung 46" H5000 now and the resolution in 720P is terrible. Will Sony XBR-55X850B help me to have a better picture in 720P and maybe I can go 60"-65"? Thanks.
720p broadcast will look terrible on all TVs, but Sony TVs tend to have better/more aggressive upscaling. They also have more settings to control so you can tweak it to your preferences. Don't expect the picture to look like it has a high bitrate though. Better upscaling makes it looks less blurry but at the cost of more artifacts.
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Jul 24 2014
I'm planning to get a 55" TV. I tried the viewing distance calculator and it suggested 8ft. Though in your viewing distance table is suggests 7'4". Which of these is more accurate when it comes to the 30° field of view the 55" TV should take up? Also the TV I'm getting is in 3D. Would you recommend sitting closer or further away in this case?
At 8 feet, a 55" TV correspond to 28°. A 55" gives a 30° field of view at 7'6", so it is very close. 3D is ok at that same distance, assuming you are not prone to headaches when watching 3D content.
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Jul 28 2014
My living room is pretty tight. My couch is about 5 ft from the TV. Should I get a 43" Samsung plasma 720p or a 37" Sanyo LED 1080p? (I live abroad and they are about the same price)
Go for the 37" 1080p. At that distance, you really want 1080p, otherwise, you will see a screen door effect on the 720p plasma. That said, the plasma has a better picture quality.
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Aug 04 2014
Is 7' ok for a 40" high resolution tv?
You are a little bit far for that size / your TV is a little bit small for your distance.
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Aug 04 2014
I am planning to buy a new samsung TV (probably H6400 series). The viewing distance would be around 9'. What would be the perfect size 50" or 55"? I use to watch both 720p and 1080p video but also normal tv programs.
Get the 55" Samsung UN55H6400. You will like the extra 5 inches, especially that the price difference is small.
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Aug 14 2014
Sitting at 8' feet, deciding between Panasonic ZT60 in either 60 or 65 inch. Will be watching a lot of hockey with friends and will be the only TV in house, so lots of broadcast shows (720p), but we will still watch a fair amount of 1080 material. What distance would be best to hit the sweet spot between minimizing artifact with 720p material and appreciating the detail of 1080p material for 1) the 60" 2) the 65".
For broadcasted shows, you will see artifacts on both sizes. Not only the resolution is small (720p or 1080i), but it is highly compressed. Still go for the 65" if the price difference is not too big. You will appreciate the added 5" especially on such a great TV that the ZT60 is.
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Aug 17 2014
Is a 47in with a viewing distance of 6.5 feet from the couch good?
Yes, that is perfect.
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Aug 28 2014
I am considering a 70 inch Sharp AQUOS Q series 1080p 240hz tv for a living room that is 16 feet deep and 23 feet wide. 45 degree seating will be as close as 7 feet, and straight on seating will be approximately 10 feet. Is this optimal for the dimensions?
Yes, this is really good.
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Sep 12 2014
I am right on the verge of the scale for 55inch. I sit at 2.3 meters away from the wall I want to mount it on. Seeing I am at 2.3 meters, would you recommend a 50inch or 55inch?
Very few people regret opting for a bigger screen. It takes a while to get used to it, but after a while, you will want to go even bigger. Go for the 55" (unless the price difference pushes you to downgrade the picture quality).
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Sep 15 2014
Regarding your answer above ("It is borderline but it should be ok. The pixelation will depend on the bit rate of the content you are watching. You will definitely see artifacts on broadcasted HD channels, very few on streaming 1080p and none on Blu-rays."), are TV's capable of zooming-out ('reducing the image size'), so when an HD (or lower) broadcast is shown - one could zoom-out, and avoid the pixelation?
There are different zoom/crop levels, but even then you will see artifacts because the media isn't perfect.
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Sep 15 2014
I'm 67 years old and my eyes tend to get tired after spending a lot of time on my 27" iMac. I'm planning, however, on upgrading my 60" HDTV to a 75" Samsung Smart TV (with 3D which I'll only use occasionally if that). My wife is afraid of eye strain for both of us, and we'd be seated anywhere from 14-15 feet away. The 60" TV seemed to have "shrunk" over time, and we're hoping that the 75" will be immersive enough (at that 14-15' distance) w/o being straining on our eyes. And again, I'm a more than a tad concerned that too close will be eyestrain-given that our eyes do tire when on the computer for a long time. Any help is greatly appreciated.
There are multiple kinds of eye strains, but two are related to distance and size. The first one is focusing on a close object (something that you don't need to worry about for a TV, but could affect you on a computer). The second one is the eye moving around. The bigger your size to distance ratio is, the more your eyes need to move when watching TV. At 15 feet, it shouldn't cause you more strain to have a 75" than a 60". The field of view is still less than in a normal movie theater, so if you don't have problem there, you should be fine.
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Sep 16 2014
I'm torn between getting a 43 inch 720p or a 51 inch 1080p plasma. I will be watching from 6-7 feet, but my media mostly would be in 720p (coming from cable box with max resolution at 720p and Playstation 3). Which should I get?
If you don't mind the price difference, get the 51" 1080p plasma. At 6 feet, you will see a screen door effect on a 43" 720p plasma TV.
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Sep 17 2014
We recently bought a 65" LG Ultra 4k tv. It is the 65UB9500 model. How far should we sit from it? Also for some reason when we check the resolution (which is suppose to upgrade to Ultra) we keep seeing 16.9 (1080p) for resolution? Can you explain as this is while watching TV, 3D's and Netflix.
If you want a good immersion factor, 8 feet would be great. It is normal that it always list 1080p as the resolution. This is the input signal resolution, not the TV's native resolution. The TV upscales the signal from 1080p to 4k. The TV will only say 4k when the signal is really 4k and it doesn't need to do any upscaling.
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Sep 17 2014
I am considering the Samsung 8550 4K set and sit back about 8 feet. I watch Over-the-Air 480, 720 and 1080 content. I was looking at both the 50 and 55 inch. I was concerned the SD content would really degrade on the 55, plus the 55 at that distance seemed to give me eye strain (as I seemed to have to pan side to side slightly to see the whole picture). The 50 inch just seemed more comfortable. I realize that for 4K content I should be going bigger, but I don't intend on watching much, if any in the near future. Is the 50 inch at 8 feet a good compromise?
It is a good compromise. You just lose a little bit the benefit of having a 4k TV though.
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Sep 21 2014
Is 9ft a good distance for a 55" Sony 4k tv?
You won't benefit a lot from the 4k at that distance.
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Oct 02 2014
My viewing distance is 7.5ft to 8.5ft. I'm considering upgrading from my current 42" plasma to a 60" Sony (KDL60W630B). Primary viewing will be 720p broadcast TV shows and sports. Will the 60" be too big?
You will definitely see flaws in the picture due to the low quality content of broadcast TV. But opting for a smaller TV won't really solve that issue unless you go very small. Therefore, go for the better immersion of the 60".
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Oct 07 2014
Please hear me out. Rtings has been incredibly unbiased to date and I greatly respect that especially in today's society, please keep that up for this: Despite previous studies, I honestly believe that I have developed a new breakthrough method to determine the proper screen size to distance ratio. It essentially proves the studies previously used for this not entirely accurate in context of TV's. Again please hear me out. I generated an uncompressed image containing a plain pure black background, with a single pure white pixel in the center of it. I ensured my uncompressed images that I generated were 1920x1080. I then made variations with different single colored backgrounds and pixels, then other variations with a larger box around the single pixel to help me stay focused on where it is at, from father distances. I then displayed these on a 1080p OLED (as close to infinite contrast as possible) and measured how far away I was when I could no longer detect the pixel. I did this in an average lit setting and a pitch black room. I had to move away extremely slowly to stay focused on it, but in all cases except the black and white, I was between 9-39% farther away than what you(and the entire internet for that matter) claim to be the absolute minimum distance in which a human should be able to detect 1 pixel worth of detail for that particular screen size to distance ratio. I exclude the black screen with white pixel numbers simply cause being black and white our eyes detect the detail differently than when color is involved. Also I was able to detect the single white pixel from significantly farther away than the color on color variants, and was unable to precisely measure that distance with my tools. I partially attribute my findings to the fact that TV's emit light and our eyes can detect small details better form bright screens than in other everyday not as bright situations. I also believe in general our eyes are slightly better than what previous studies have found and that previous studies didn't test enough variations of settings/material. Regardless, the bottom line is that I was able to see a single pixel from farther away than I was supposed to be able to based upon the standards described on this page in all scenarios I tested. If you happen to still have a plasma laying around or better yet have an OLED in any time soon, please replicate this test in black and white, colors, dark and typical rooms, with and without a box around the pixel, etc and see for yourselves. Thank you very much for your time.
This is interesting. The above formula is based on that the average visual acuity needed to discriminate two contours is separated by 1 arc minute. The best example of this is for the letter E, more specifically the 3 branches of the letter. A 20/20 vision means that the average person won't distinguish between those branches when the E letter's height is less than 5 arc minute. Further than that and the branches just blended in and it looks like a rectangle. This test is a little bit harder than your test. But your test brings an interesting question, which test is better suited for a TV? I don't really have an answer to that. And as you pointed out, the contrast of the TV also has a role into this. The lower the contrast, the closer you need to be to see a detail. Anyway, thanks for sharing. This is a good discussion and you brought in interesting results, thanks.
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Oct 12 2014
Trying to decide between the Samsung 75 inch HU8500, HU8550, H7150 and F8000 models. Distance is around 10-11 feet, so right on the borderline for UHD being worth the money. Mainly watch dish tv and a lot of sports. The kids do some XBox gaming, but generally not "intense" motion games. What would you recommend? Also, what is the difference between the HU8500 and HU8550 models? I have not been able to determine any differences. Thanks.
If money is not really an issue, get the HU8550. But the H7150 is a far better price to quality ratio because they are essentially the same except for the resolution. There is no difference in term of picture quality between the HU8550 and HU8500.
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Oct 13 2014
Is 40" too small at 9 feet or do you think one could get by ok? Don't want the TV to overtake the room you see.
If you can afford it, you should go bigger. At first, you might find that the TV overtakes the room, but you will get used to it pretty quickly.
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Oct 13 2014
I am debating between 65" Samsung h7150 with 3d and a 75" Samsung h6300. My media room is 13'x10'. I sit about 9 feet away from TV. As you know, 3d content is limited but I do enjoy 3d movies. Do you think it's worth going with the 65" 3d TV or 75" non 3d? What would you personally buy? Please help. Thank you.
At 9 feet, 65" is 'big enough' (assuming such thing exist). It gives you a field of view of 30 °, which is about what you find in most theaters. You will prefer the better picture quality and added 3D of the H7150 over the H6300.
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Oct 14 2014
Is a 78.6 inch 4K TV worth it at a viewing distance of 13 feet or is that too far?
Slightly too far. Either sit closer or get a projector to have a bigger screen.
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Oct 17 2014
Is it true that low resolution programs are better viewed on a low resolution TV? Will the ultra HD LED picture quality for low resolution programs be inferior to when watched on a HD LED TV?
It depends what you mean by inferior. Technically, it is the same amount of total information. However, the picture will look slightly more soft on an UHD TV. Instead of blocky pixels, it is more of a gradation. Some consider this an inferior picture, others like that it has less aliasing.
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Oct 17 2014
I am concerned about the minimum as well as the maximum viewing distance recommended for a curved screen TV - is there a difference to a conventional flat screen with the same definition? For example the Samsung 55" HU8500 vs 55" HU7500.
No difference in term of distance. That said, if you are directly in front of it, the curve screen is better because your angle with the edges is better (which results in less loss of color's saturation).
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Oct 19 2014
I am considering buying a Samsung PN60F8500 or PN64F8500 to replace our 55 inch Samsung Plasma. Which would be a better buy for a viewing distance of 13 feet? The 60 or 64 inch?
Get the 64". For that distance, you can really get big.
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