The 4k Samsung KS8000 LED is a well rounded UHD TV that delivers a great picture quality. However, its picture deteriorates at an angle. From the front, everything looks colorful and detailed. It handled motion well and input lag was especially low. The KS8000 can also get very bright and does justice to HDR content. The equivalent model in Europe is the KS7000.
- Movies and HDR look great.
- Very bright which is good to handle reflections.
- Low input lag which is great for playing video games.
- Picture deteriorates at an angle.
The look of the Samsung KS8000 is particularly good. Its design is simple yet high-end. From the chrome finish to its glossy back, this TV leaves an impression. When viewed directly from the side, its thinnest is striking. Its shiny stand also look good but its footprint is a little wide.
The stand of the Samsung KS8000 is simple and boast a chrome metallic finish. Assembly for these two stands were just a one step job, needing no screws or tools.
Footprint of the 55" TV stand: 44.1" x 9.1"
On the 65" TV, an alternate middle position can be used for the stands where the two feet are about 39" apart.
On the 60" TV, an alternate middle position can also be use for the stand.
The Samsung KS8000 has a black reflecting plastic backing, that is prone to both dust and scratches.
Remove the plastic stoppers to expose the mounting points. Bolt sleeves are included in the box for mounting.
Metal borders are thin and elegant.
1.5" (3.8 cm)
At an 90 degree angle, the TV looks extremely thin.
Picture quality is excellent on the Samsung KS8000. Even in a pitch black room, dark scenes appear richly detailed. In more colorful material like cartoons, the color pops and can get very saturated. The same can be said for HDR content which impresses. The KS8000 does a good job with low quality content too like for standard cable TV and DVDs. Deals very well with reflections and can get bright to suit even the brightest room.
Very deep blacks and remarkable native contrast ratio results in a rich picture quality. The contrast is very similar to the Samsung KS9500.
While displaying a completely black picture, the KS8000 doesn't exhibit any obvious issues. Some very faint clouding spots but as a whole the screen looks uniform.
The Samsung KS8000 wasn't able to brighten the little dot in our video that much. When local dimming is activated, it produces blooming around bright highlights, on a big vertical column. Still, for regular movie watching and especially HDR content, local dimming ('Smart LED') is worth it for the deeper blacks it produce and the very bright highlights. Blooming is more noticeable at an angle.
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HDR Sustained 2% Window
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HDR Sustained 50% Window
HDR Sustained 100% Window
Like for other TVs, we use the local dimming setting ('Smart LED') that brighten the 2% window the most, in that case 'High'. The peak brightness of small highlights is very high at 1472 cd/m². On a static image, the maximum brightness drops to around 500 cd/m². For the best HDR experience, leave 'Smart LED' to 'High'.
Update: Updated with sustained brightness and remeasured the peak brightness (which is now even closer to the KS9000).
SDR Peak 2% Window
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SDR Sustained 2% Window
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The KS8000 has a very good SDR peak brightness. It is a bit less bright than when in HDR mode, but it is still one of the brightest TV tested in 2016.
The left and right edges of the screen are darker and the top and bottom edges are slightly brighter. That said, there is no obvious banding problems which result in a minimum of the 'dirty screen effect' (DSE). Compared to most TVs, this is good.
The Samsung KS8000 does a great job with every resolutions it supports, even the low ones like for DVDs and SD channels looks good.
Cable TV is also looking very good on the KS8000.
1080p content like Blu-rays looks great and well detailed.
4k looks superb on this TV, like on the rest of Samsung SUHD line of TVs.
Good color coverage as a whole. Colors can get very rich under HDR materials.
DCI P3 Coverage
Rec 2020 Coverage
The Samsung KS8000 is one of the 2016 top performers in color volume and produces very saturated colors at high luminosity levels. Unfortunately, at low luminosity levels the colors can't get very saturated.
Very smooth color gradations. Very minor inconsistencies in reds prevent the Samsung KS8000 from getting a perfect score. In regular content though, this won't be noticeable.
IR after 0 min recovery
IR after 2 min recovery
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IR after 8 min recovery
IR after 10 min recovery
Like many other VA TVs, the Samsung KS8000 does not present any image retention at all. Even right after the 10 minutes burn-in scene, no faint image can be seen from any of the colored logos. This is a very good result and should please any gamers of PC users.
Very faint reflections. The picture can still be seen through reflections which is great. The TV can get bright enough to fit in any room, even the brightest.
Motion looks good on the Samsung KS8000. There isn't much motion blur thanks to the good response time. Movies play smoothly over any source and content can be interpolated up to the panel's native refresh rate of 120Hz.
This isn't the fastest response time we've seen but it won't be a problem in most cases. The trail behind our logo has an average length but is faint enough not to be an issue in regular content.
PWM Dimming Frequency
The KS8000 uses PWM to dim the backlight, which results in some duplications following the logo. It is possible to reduce the flicker frequency to 60Hz which helps to clear up motion, but this isn't possible when in the 'Game' special viewing mode.
Judder-free 24p via 60p
Judder-free 24p via 60i
24p sources is always judder-free no matter the TV settings. To remove judder from 60p and 60i sources, set 'Auto Motion Plus' to 'Custom' and both sliders to 0. This won't add the soap opera effect (SOE).
Motion Interpolation (30 fps)
Motion Interpolation (60 fps)
Since this TV is 120Hz, 'Auto Motion Plus' can be used on 30Hz and 60Hz signals. This will add the soap opera effect (SOE). Low custom values will work well to smooth out motion with a minimum of the soap opera effect.
Very responsive to input on the Samsung KS8000. Input lag is great for even the most serious gamers. Those who want to use the TV as a PC monitor will also like the multiple inputs and resolutions it supports and the fact that the screen can get very sharp with the good settings.
1080p With Interpolation
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
4k @ 60Hz + HDR
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR
Great, even for competitive gaming. Not to say that this TV will make anyone's skills improve but those who like to have every little advantages on their side will enjoy that low of an input lag. The overall experience feels very responsive even for the games that requires very fast reflexes. To get that low input lag, 'Game' mode has to be enabled. When sending and HDR signal under game mode at an 1080p resolution, the input lag is 22.6ms.
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
Most of the tested inputs works except for 120Hz. To ge 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4, 'HDMI UHD Color' has to be enabled from the picture menu. For other resolution, labeling the HDMI input to 'PC' will do the trick. Input lag in PC mode is 37.8 ms.
Inputs are located on the required One Connect box.
Digital Optical Audio Out
Analog Audio Out 3.5mm
5.1 Passthrough ARC Dolby Digital
5.1 Passthrough ARC DTS
5.1 Passthrough Optical Dolby Digital
5.1 Passthrough Optical DTS
HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwith
Variable Analog Audio Out
The TV supports 5.1 passthrough for Dolby Digital and DTS, but it is necessary to select the correct audio type in the sound settings, since it doesn't change automatically.
The sound on the Samsung KS8000 is not too bad but most basic sound bars or home theater setups will complement the TV much better. In some minimal setups though, like for in a bedroom, it gets the job done without any additional wire clutters.
Std. Dev. @ 75
3.72 dB SPL
Std. Dev. @ 85
4.33 dB SPL
Std. Dev. @ Max
6.49 dB SPL
Decent frequency response, especially for a TV. The low-end cutoff of 85Hz and maximum loudness of 92dB are good. However, there will be noticeable pumping and compression under heavy load.
Total Harmonic Distortion
Subpar results. The overall amount of harmonic distortion is rather high, but at the same time, there is not a big jump at higher SPLs and distortion remains relatively constant.
The Samsung KS8000 smart platform isn't the best but offers a good experience. Navigating through the different menus and launching apps feels responsive. Most popular apps are available.
Most popular apps (YouTube, Amazon, Netflix,...) are available and the whole selection is good.
Unfortunately, there are ads on this TV. There is also no way to completely disable them.
A button located underneath the bottom right of the TV can be used for basic operations like changing volume, inputs and turning the TV on and off. This button can be operated in a setup where the TV is wall-mounted.
The remote is simple and comfortable, making it easy to navigate through the Tizen interface. It can be used with voice command but not as a pointer which could have been handy for text input.
- Wall mount spacers/adapters
- Mini One Connect box with cable
Power Consumption (Max)
Differences between Sizes and Variants
We tested the 55" (UN55KS8000) version FA01. It is also available with version AA02. For the most part, we expect our review to be valid for the other sizes.
We've received a report that the 60" (UN60KS8000) has version EA01, with a narrower viewing angle. The 60" also has a different bezel that is thicker.
We also receive information about the 65" model (UN65KS8000), it seem there is also the version FA01 and AA02.
If someone comes across a different type of panel or if their Samsung KS8000 doesn't correspond to our review, let us know and we will update the review.
Compared to other TVs
Top row, from left: Vizio P Series 2016
), Samsung KS8000 (UN55KS8000), Samsung KS9000
). Bottom: LG UH8500
), Sony X850D
), Samsung KS8500
). Unlike our other photographs, this picture wasn't taken under a controlled environment, so do not draw conclusions from it.
The Samsung KS8000 is the best buy for a TV in this price range if you want to use it for multiple usage. Not a lot of other TVs can compete with its high picture quality, number of features and asking price.
48" 55" 65"
The now discontinued Samsung JS8500 only advantage is the slightly less motion blur. In other aspects, the KS8000 outdoes the JS8500 picture quality, especially for movies. The KS8000 is also a better fit in the living room because it can get brighter and has less reflections.
Vizio P Series 2016
50" 55" 65" 75"
The Vizio P is a bit better for watching movies in a dark room. In a living room with ambient lighting however, the Vizio P has more reflection and not an as good picture. Lower quality content like TV channels are also better on the Samsung. As a whole, the KS8000 is a more versatile TV, so only get the Vizio P if you exclusively watch movies in a dark room.
55" 65" 75"
Not much difference between the two TVs. The Samsung KS9000 can get slightly brighter but the increase in price is not worth it. The Samsung KS8000 is the better buy with a near identical picture quality.
As a whole, the Sony X930D picture quality isn’t superior but its price is. Only get it if you absolutely want 3D which is not available on the Samsung KS8000. The Samsung KS8000 offers a better picture quality both in a very bright or very dark room.
Great TV for a range of usage. Picture quality is excellent and fast motion is well defined. Blacks can get very deep. Extremely bright highlights and deals with reflections well.
Excellent TV for movies. Performs great in dark scenes. Great contrast results in deep blacks. Plays all content smoothly.
Great for TV in a bright room. Excellent picture quality. Bright and deals with reflections well. Unfortunately picture deteriorates when viewed from the side.
Great for sports. Very good motion handling. Good uniformity for sports fields.
Excels for video games. Very low input lag and very good motion handling for fast paced games. Great picture quality.
Very good HDR. Highlights get very bright. Wide color gamut. Excellent picture quality.
Great for playing HDR games since game mode works even in HDR and it has a low 4k @ 60Hz + HDR input of lag 21.1 ms. It has a wide color gamut and 10 bit panel.
Great PC monitor. Low motion blur. Very good input lag. Clearly displays a wide range of resolutions.
Questions & Answers
102 ANSWERED QUESTIONS
As with the KS9500, peak brightness behaves differently depending on the local dimming ('Active LED') setting. There is no variation of brightness when the setting is off or set at 'Low'. On the 'High' setting, the TV will get to its peak brightness, stay there for a few seconds and go back to its low value. If anything moves on the screen (we moved the mouse cursor in our test) the TV quickly gets back to its peak brightness value. On regular content, there won’t be much variation of brightness.
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Note: This table was done without sending an HDR signal, which is why it is different than the measurements in our review.
Samsung KS9500 vs Samsung KS8000
There is no big difference between the Samsung KS8000 and KS9500. The KS9500 is better, but the KS8000 is very close. The main differences are:
- Peak brightness: KS9500 a bit brighter.
- Sound: KS9500 better sound quality.
- Curve: The KS9500 is curved (which isn't important, as you can see here).
Between the two, get the KS8000. Most people won't see the difference and the premium for the KS9500 isn't really worth it.
The TV does not come with mounting screws. It does, however have wall mount spacers/adapters. To save many owners wall mount troubles the proper size of the screws is M8 43-45mm. There really is no such thing as an M8 in 43mm or 44mm, but 45mm length comes with many mounts and I actually found mine in a big bin of leftover screws at my local Best Buy. Otherwise Amazon sells machine screws in the M8 45mm size.
Thank you very much for pointing that error. We updated the review with the information. This will surely help other visitors.
Update: Some users reported that even 45mm screws were not long enough to use with the provided spacers. Depending on the thickness of the wall mount, 50mm screws could be needed.
20ms for gaming? I'm sorry but that's just awful. Obviously computer screens will always be faster, but to say that a response time 4-5 times slower than a computer screen is great is kind of mind boggling. Until a non OLED TV can get their response time to less than 10 ms you really can't give a TV a score higher than a 6 in gaming.
Assuming you are referring to response time and not input lag, PC monitors are not really better than TVs. Their advertised response time is false/misleading. We measure response time in a very strict way, and so our measurements can't really be compared to other methods. As for input lag, TVs are generally higher than monitors, but most people won't notice an input lag below 50ms.
P series or KS8000
for dark room movie watching?
For movies in a dark room, the Vizio P Series
, due to the better local dimming.
How long is the provided cable that connects the TV to the "One Connect" box?
Hey I was wondering, what are the full range of supported codecs this television set able to play? Also do you ever think that you could include that in your reviews?
For Samsung TVs, they list the supported codecs in the manual. For this KS8000 this is available here on page 88. We have tested a range of video containers on this TV, and the following have been supported:
The following are not supported:
If there is a lot of interest in this information, then it is something we can consider adding to future reviews.
I have found two version numbers for the 65 inch KS8000
so far. When shipped by Samsung or HHGregg, it is FA01. At Best Buy it is AA02.
Thanks for the information we appreciate. We have added it to our review.
Update 09/12/2016: Another reader also reported that BestBuy have both the FA01 and the AA02.
Looking to buy the 65" KS8000
,but was wondering your recommendation on the KS7000 or if you will be reviewing this TV?
There is no KS7000 model in the US.
Update 10/31/2016: The following table lists some of the equivalent models in other countries.
I'm looking into getting the KS8000
but a good proportion of the Amazon reviews seem to indicate that there is noticeable judder despite any claims to the contrary (one review even mentioned rtings specifically). I've also seen a couple of video reviews showing a pulse or juddering. Is it possible that in the same way you say you can't guarantee your picture calibration settings will work on every individual unit, you can't guarantee your judder-proofing method will work on other individual units? In other words, please reassure me that it's possible to avoid juddering on this TV without the soap opera effect. I really don't like the SOE. Thanks.
We did retest judder today with the same results as when we did the review. Our test pattern was always judder free given that 'Auto Motion Plus' is set to 'Custom' and both sliders to 0. We also filmed Netflix in slow motion to spot any inconsistency in the frame rate and didn't saw one hi-cup. It is important to differentiate judder in movies (inconsistency in the frame rate) than low frame rate judder coming from 24p material which inevitably all TVs have.
Thank you so much for your in depth reviews! It has been an excellent aid in (almost) selecting a TV. I have a question regarding which TV I should select, however. I will be using the TV primarily for gaming on the Xbox One S, which supports 4k and HDR content. The seconary use is streaming and movies.. Netflix, etc. A big priority for me is being able to game at the highest quality.. so, being HDR capable while keeping a low input lag. I realize there are no HDR games out currently, however several are coming soon and I am also attempting to somewhat future proof. I was originally hands down going to go with the Vizio P Series
. It seemed like the best quality for the lowest price. However, I came to realize a big issue with it (that I'm not sure you guys address). The TV's gaming input, HDMI 5, is HDMI 1.4 and therefore will not support HDR. So you can't game in HDR unless you use a different input, which has a whopping 100+ ms input lag. So, now I have moved onto the KS8000
. My question is this: will this TV keep its input lag low while gaming in HDR? Is HDR enabled during game mode? And.. if not this TV, is there something else you would recommend to meet my specific needs? Or is this one the best choice for the best price? Thank you very much for your time!
That's correct, for HDR support it is necessary to use HDMI 1 - 4 on the Vizio P. We measured an input lag of 62.1ms when sending an HDR signal with 'Game Low Latency' on HDMI1 on the Vizio P. This is quite high for gaming, and will be an issue for a lot of people. The KS8000
is a good choice. We found that when sending an HDR signal, it is necessary to set the color space to 'Native' but then it successfully plays HDR content even with the 'Game' special picture mode. We measured the input lag with HDR metadata and 'Game' mode enabled to be 22.6ms.
Is the KS8000
the same as the KS800D only that the KS800D has a different color frame?
Yes. The stand on the KS800D is supposed to be dark titan instead of silver too.
Just purchased a 65js9000. Opened the box and the styrofoam was cracked on one side. Set up the TV and sure enough, their is excessive light bleed from that side. All black scenes have a streak of light coming from the bottom left corner diagonally to about 12" into the screen. Do you think this light bleed was from the TV being damaged in shipping?
Can you send us a picture of both the light bleed and the box? Depending on what it looks like, it could be.
Do any of the Samsung KS series have a USB 3.0 port on the One Connect box or on the back of the TV? Thanks for all your great reviews!
We have reviewed the Samsung KS8000
and in the process of reviewing the KS9000 and so far none have a USB3 port.
First off I wanted to thank you for the outstanding job you do. Your reviews are excellent.
I just purchased a 65" KS8500 and was wondering if your calibration settings for the KS8000
would work the same or at least be a good place to start?
Definitely. They are basically the same TVs minus the curved screen. Just don't copy the white balance and color values which are specific to each TV. We should also review the KS8500 sometime in the next month so keep checking back.
I was about to go for the ks8000 as it has lots of great features as well as very good upscaling (we are mostly all watching 1080 anyway, right?). But then I noticed your blur stats; I'm also an moderately avid gamer. Now I'm stuck between the KS8000
and maybe an earlier 2015 Samsung. Any suggestions?
Also my 10yr old 40" Samsung lists its response time as 8ms so I'm not sure that it's even the same sort of speed you're measuring today (ks8000 seems slow for the field at 18ms?). I just don't want anything with more blur.
Thanks for the awesome site!
We played a lot of video games on the KS8000
and never found motion blur to be an issue. We played first person shooters, combat and racing games. As a whole, we enjoyed the experience better on the KS8000 than on other Samsung 2015 TVs we have played on. Don't hesitate to get the Samsung KS8000. The advertised response time of your old 40" TV is not measured the same way as we do so it isn't an indication of worse performance for the ks8000.
I am intersted in buying the 49" version of this TV. How far apart are the legs of the TV? I have a stand that is 36 inches wide.
Unfortunately we don't have a 49" version here to measure, but it is reported to be 39.5" wide, so won't fit on your stand.
Will a Sonos Soundbar fit under the TV on a table? Sonos is 3.5 inches high.
On a table, the bottom edge of the 55" KS8000
is at 2.8" of the table. The actual picture begin at 3.1" from the table. Your Sonos sound bar would then cover a small part of the screen and wouldn't be ideal positioned at that place.
Update: Someone sent us a picture of is 55" KS8000 with a Sonos soundbar (model PLAYBAR), and as you can see, the soundbar does not cover the screen.
Just wondering when the review and settings for the Samsung ks8500 will be up? Your website is great and very helpful, thank you for providing such great insight in to the televisions y'all review, helps us as consumers make the right choices before purchasing.
We have it here, but we have a few TVs that we want to review before getting to that one, because it is pretty much only a curved version of the KS8000
For whatever reason, I am unable to get any Amazon or Netflix shows to display in HDR. Is there something I should be doing or a way to tell it is recognizing the HDR stream?
Unfortunately on this TV, there is no popup when playing HDR content on Netflix, however the picture mode still changes. One way that you can check if HDR content is playing is to play something which should be HDR, such as Marco Polo and set the backlight to maximum (20). Then play another show on Netflix which is not HDR, and reduce the backlight. Play the HDR content again, and check the backlight level. If it has reverted back to the maxmimum level that you have set, then it is using different picture modes for HDR and non-HDR content and is working correctly.
Hello, if possible I would like a confirmation that the Samsung KS8000
now supports and exhibits proper HDR content while in Game Mode maintaining a low input lag. I'm just a bit confused because back in July and early August a few answers in this page (as well as in the settings section) stated that while the TV did indeed activated HDR while in Game Mode, your tests showed that it did not change its settings, brightness and colors in a fashion that would properly reproduce HDR in any meaningful way. Now I see that those statements are gone and updated to say that the TV supports HDR in Game Mode, without getting in too much detail. A British review site stated a few days back that in 2016 only Panasonic TVs would support HDR while Game Mode was activated, but people in Neogaf are saying that a recently firmware update in the Samsung KS line allowed for it to do the same. I wouldn't put much stock in Neogaf but since Rtings update its answers regarding this model I'm left wondering if that is true or not. It would be great if you guys could clarify that for us and much appreciated. Thanks :D
To test whether the Samsung KS Series support HDR with 'Game Mode' activated, we used the AVTop Integral to send HDR metadata. We used the settings we would recommended for HDR gaming (Colorspace to 'Native', Backlight to 'Max', Smart LED to 'High', Special viewing mode to 'Game'). We measured the color gamut to be wide (same as our posted results in 'Movie' picture mode). We measured the Gamma curve and found it to follow the HDR PQ Curve, and we measured a high peak brightness (>1000 nits for small windows). From these we concluded that it is correctly switching into a HDR picture mode, and with these settings we found the input lag to be 22.6ms.
They are selling KS7005, KS8005 and KS9005 in Norway. Will the statement that "KS7005 is equivalent to KS8000
" be wrong then ? What will KS8005 be equivalent to? And what about the KS9005?
The following are the Norwegian models and their equivalents in the US.
It depends on the usage. The JS9000
have the edge for sports and video games because it has less motion blur. The KS8000
is a better choice for HDR with its very high brightness. The KS8000 also has less reflections making it a better in a living room.
How is it that the panel is 120hz but you cannot use 1080p at 120hz?
Does this mean of you connect a PC and then set the resolution to 1440p or 1080p through nvidia or amd control panel you cannot get 120hz without the screen tear of a 60hz panel?
Basically, how is it a native 120hz panel if you can't use the 120hz.
It can display 120hz but only internally, via the motion interpolation feature. Only some Sony and Vizio TVs that we tested so far support a 120hz input.
Compared to the JS8500
that is also edge-lit (on its sides), does or will the KS8000
edge-lit top/bottom likely suffer from light bleed? I compared the two models in store and there's notable light bleed on the JS8500 but not on the KS8000, but that's without playing enough content in the right environment. Can also be attributed to being new? Can light bleed appear later? Thank you for your time!
If you are referring to the brighter edges, yes, the KS8000
has it too. Check our gray uniformity picture. You can see that the top edge is brighter. There is a variance between unit for that issue, even on the JS8500
, so you could get either a better or worse one. Usually, light bleed doesn't appear later.
Does the KS8000
's blacks look black in a pitch black room or do they have a slight grey look?
has very good blacks, only OLED TVs perform better. They look black even in the darkest rooms.
I just got the 60" inch and can confirm it does have a slightly bigger bezel. The picture still looks amazing though. Also can confirm for sizes above 60" there are 2 spaces for the stand.
Thank you for the information. We have updated the review to show this.
I'm not sure if there's a way to test for this yet, but can the Samsung KS8000
series enable HDR (not HDR+) while Game Mode is active?
It seems that yes it can, since when in game mode, if you send an HDR signal, there will be a pop-up telling that an HDR content was detected.
I first want to say, I enjoy reading all the reviews your site continues to post. They are very helpful and insightful for us consumers. I just have a two part question. How does the KS8000
compare to the Vizio P series? And if you had to choice between the two which one would you pick? Many thanks!
Since the Samsung KS8000 is very similar to the Samsung KS9500, the comparison we made between the KS9500 and the Vizio P Series 2016 (see additional review notes at bottom of KS9500 review) is nearly identical to the one between the KS8000 and the Vizio P Series 2016.
Samsung KS8000 vs Vizio P Series 2016
- Movies in the dark: Vizio P Series (better local dimming)
- SDR video games: Vizio P Series (less motion blur)
- HDR video games: Samsung KS8000 (lower HDR input lag)
- Sports: Samsung KS8000 has better uniformity so better with sports that has frequent camera pans. For other sports, like tennis, the Vizio P has less motion blur.
- Living room: Samsung KS8000 (brighter and less reflections)
- Smart features: Samsung KS8000
In the end, both TVs are great but have slight differences that will make them better in different scenarios.
What's the deal with the cross hatching pattern with 1080p upscaling here?
It's present in all of the non 4k pictures, but not on the 4k picture. And not with the KS9500's 1080p upscaling.
Samsung KS9500 Upscaling
Samsung KS8000 Upscaling
Is this just a photography anomaly?
That's moiré, so yes, a photography anomaly. You can ignore those when looking at our pictures.
I have a Samsung 65KS8000 connected to a Pioneer VSX-1124-K receiver via an HDMI cable. I want to use ARC to stream some 4K content via the TV but I'm only getting two channel (R & L) audio. The Pioneer shows "digital" when I setup the TV input and will not allow me to change it to HDMI. Any ideas? Thanks in advance and love your site!
Make sure the HDMI cable between the TV and receiver is connected to both HDMI ARC ports and that the app you use support 5.1 output (Netflix does). Then on the TV follow these steps:
Go to Menu > Sound > Speaker List and select ‘Receiver (HDMI)’ for HDMI ARC
Go to Menu > Sound > Additional Settings and set ‘HDMI Audio Format’ to ‘Bitstream.’
Go to Menu > Sound > Additional Settings and set ‘Audio Format’ to either ‘Dolby Digital’ or ‘DTS’ depending on the audio source.
For HDMI ARC, go to Menu > General and enable ‘AnyNet+.’
On your Pioneer receiver, 'Control with HDMI' must be turned On for ARC to work (more information about ARC and your receiver on page 63 of the user manual).
You can also read more about 5.1 passthrough on our site here.
Is there any difference between KS8000
and KS8500 besides the curve?
What about the 49 inch model? The UN49KS8500 and UN49KS8000
Will you review it separately? Is your review applies on them as well? Especially, I'm interested in input lag since 49" looks like great monitor size.
We don't expect much difference between the Samsung KS8000
and KS8500. We will review the KS8500 in a few weeks so we will know for sure by then. We also expect our reviews to be valid for the 49". As for input lag, all sizes should be pretty similar.
What are your recommend settings for HDR content on the ks8000/8500?
Use the settings posted here
. 'HDMI UHD Color' should be turned on and set 'Active LED' to 'High'. Also increase backlight as much as you like (higher values are also good in a bright room). By default, 'Color Space' should be set to 'Native' when an HDR signal is detected but just make sure it is.
The only thing better than the reviews here are the thoughtful responses to question; seriously - awesome site! In researching this TV and reading other reviews and owner's impressions, some think that this set has an always-on "edge enhancement", even when sharpness is set to 0 (this would be similar to the 2015 P Series
before it got the firmware update). I believe I'm noticing some of it as well, especially in game mode. Furthermore, a review of the European version of this set noticed the same thing (www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue55ks7500-201605024289.htm at the bottom in the "Picture Quality" section). Can you guys confirm this is happening? Maybe compare it to other high-end 4K sets from different brands? Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words. We also have noticed a little bit of added sharpness even when 'Sharpness' is set to 0 but that is very subtle and a non-issue for all content that we tried on the KS8000
I connected my Windows PC (GTX 970) to a receiver (Denon AVR-S710W) and then to the UN65KS8000
and while the input wasn't labeled PC and all the TV options were still enabled (but YCbCr 4K 30Hz), once I enabled UHD color to get RGB Full 4K 60Hz as the review mentioned, I noticed all the related options were also disabled similar to setting the input in PC mode. What exactly does UHD color mode do? Is there a more technical explanation than "enabling more color for HDR" that Samsung keeps saying? Is it something like disabling some processing capability in order to have enough resources to handle 4K 50Hz/60Hz 4:4:4 signals?
Also related, the nvidia settings had the option of 8-bit or 12-bit. Which should I set? I believe Windows applications have to also support the higher color?
Turning on HDMI UHD color allows the HDMI port to use the full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth. HDMI UHD color itself should not change the picture options, but the label on the input will. It looks like the Samsung TV detected a PC and automatically switched to PC mode when at 4k@60Hz. If you would like 4k@60Hz but do not require chroma 4:4:4 then change your input label to 'Blu-ray Player'.
For chroma 4:4:4 at any frame rate/resolution it is necessary to change the input to 'PC'. This is because it is a 'use-case', as 4:4:4 is only really beneficial for PC users and also benefits from lower input lag. Disabling some picture processing does reduce input lag. It is probably not because of any technical limitation, but the settings are enabled/disabled to match the typical user.
4k@60Hz@4:4:4 12 bit is not supported, however this does not make a difference as there are very few windows apps which support 12 bit color. Stick to 8 bit.
What settings would you recommend are best for watching sports on this KS8000
For watching sports, you can use our calibration settings available here
. Set the backlight level as you prefer to suit your room. If you don't mind a little bit of the soap opera effect, try setting 'Auto Motion Plus' to 'Custom' and using values of 3 - 4. If you notice too many artifacts, you can reduce these sliders or turn it back to 'Off'.
Hey, love the site. Quick question... I just picked up a 2015 js8500 per your site recommendation. Basically a $300 difference between the 2 sets (js8500 v ks8000). Do you recommend paying the extra $300 for the ks8000 or do you feel like the js8500 is still solid enough to save the money and not have regrets down the road? I mainly use for movies and games (while not a hardcore gamer by any means, but I do know the 8500 has more of a lag). That being said per your sites breakdown on the input lag portion seems like even at a higher lag time likely won't be able to tell a difference. Again thanks for all the hardwork, love the information.
Both are great TVs and relatively similar. The differences are:
- Less motion blur on the JS8500
- No 3D on the KS8000
- Better native contrast ratio on the KS8000
- Brighter screen on the KS8000
- Lower input lag on the KS8000
So it depends on your preference. The KS8000 isn't an upgrade on all fronts. For movies, the KS8000 is worth it (peak brightness + contrast). For video games, it is about the same (lower input lag but more blur).
I just bought the 65" KS8000
and am trying to wall mount it. The manual says to use M8 45mm screws, but when I put in the spacer you need to use for the TV, it doesn't seem to thread in very much (maybe 6mm or so). Is that normal? I can tell that it could thread in deeper if the screw was longer.
Update: Some users reported that even 45mm screws were not long enough to use with the provided spacers. Depending on the thickness of the wall mount, 50mm screws could be needed.
Hello! What is the difference between the FA01 and AA02 panels in the 65" KS8000
sets? Do you recommend one panel over the other? Secondly, I keep reading about edge bleeding on the 65KS8000. Is this a chronic problem for this set? If so, enough to consider other sets? Thanks you for all the simple information and guidance provided on this site! So appreciated!
There should not be any big difference between the FA01 and AA02 panel, so both should be good. The edge bleeding is common for all edge lit TVs, not just the KS8000
. Some sets are worse than other, even in the same model with the same panel.
Can the 4k TV made by Samsung with the separated input box be made Dolby Vision ready?
Given Samsung's past support for the One Connect (they said they won't provide a 2016 update for the previous 2014/2015 Full One Connect Box), unlikely.
Thank you for the review.
I have the KS8000
55inch. But I see a deal on amazon on the JS7000
55 inch. It is cheaper than the KS8000 by one thousand dollar.
Taking that into consideration, along with the poor software update from Samsung to their TVs, which one you will buy?
Is there really big difference in the picture quality between the 2 to justify 1000 dollar more in the price?
In fact I have another Samsung tv, which I bought 16 months ago for over 3k, and it will never get the new Tizen. So now I won't buy any Samsung TV for more than $900.
Back to my question: would you take the JS7000 for a 1k less price than the KS8000 55 inch? I will use it only for YouTube and Netflix.
They are a bit different. The JS7000
in 55" has an IPS panel, which means poor blacks, but better color accuracy at an angle. It also has a small judder while watching movies. If you sit at an angle and with the lights on, you will be happy with the JS7000. But in front and in the dark, the KS8000
has a noticeably better picture quality.
Was wondering if you have any information on what panel manufacturers are being used in the KS series TVs. I'm planning on buying a 65 inch within the next two weeks and would really like to find out if the panel codes have changed. I have a UN65H7150
right now with a TH01 panel and it's flawless.
Our 55" is version FA01 and has a Samsung panel inside. We haven't had reports about other manufacturers so far but we expect there is a few different ones as usual. The differences between panels shouldn't be huge though as we have seen in the past
Hi. Really have been enjoying your site and grateful for the information about input lag as I am a console gamer. Now that I'm in the market for a TV, I was curious if you would be reviewing the Panasonic TC65CX400U. I'm in the market for a 65" TV and the LG OLED tv is out of my budget. I have been leaning towards Samsung 65KS8000 based on your review; since it seems to do well all around (and on sale this week) but then I ran across the Panasonic TV on a different site. Just hoping you would review the Panasonic.
Continued success on a fantastic site!
is good for console gaming due to the low input lag and motion blur, but we haven't reviewed the Panasonic for comparison. At the moment we don't have plans to review the CX400U, but your request has been noted and it may be done if there is more demand.
I noticed I was able to stream Netflix 4k content in Dolby HDR+. I thought the KS8000
wasn't able to stream in Dolby HDR+. Why is that? Was there a recent software update for the KS8000?
The Samsung KS8000
can only display HDR10 format. Netflix does offer both type of HDR on some content, so if you are streaming some content with both Dolby Video HDR and HDR10 metadata, the KS8000 will automatically display HDR10 data and inform you via a popup that HDR content is playing.
The HDR+ you are referring to is a new picture mode that was added after the 1112 firmware update. The HDR+ picture mode will extrapolate normal content (SDR) to an "Fake HDR", which will make the color more vibrant and highlight more bright.
Is there any additional latency with Samsung's "One Connect" box? Typically with electronics the more components in-line equals more latency.
Our input lag measurement includes the One Connect box (it is the only way to connect an HDMI source), so it doesn't seem to add any significant latency.
Wow this site is amazing. Do you accept donations? :-)
Anyway, is the KS8000
a good replacement for a projector in a small (square) conference room? It will be used for Powerpoint, word, excel, etc. 4K will be very nice for looking at big spreadsheets I think.
I want to avoid OLED since this will be powered on a lot with fixed patterns from window chrome and also ABL will be annoying.
However, the viewing angle rating for the worries me KS8000. How bad would it be for these use cases?
Thanks for the kind words, but we do not accept donations.
The change in color and of the blacks is more noticeable when you are moving from the front to the side. If you are sitting at an angle, picture quality will still be good, just not as perfect that it was if you where sitting strait in front of the set and remain the same for you if you are not moving. When view from the side, you will still be able to see clearly what on the screen. That said, this TV is good versus other TV we have tested for this aspect.
is a very bright TV and and blacks are very good, so if you are afraid of the burn-in problem of the OLED TV but want to have a very good picture quality, the KS8000 is a perfect choice for you, since this TV is not far behind of the OLED.
On a side note, since it was reported to us that the 60" (UN60KS8000
) has a narrower viewing angle, if you where looking for this model, you would be better to go for the 55" (UN55KS8000
) or 65" (UN65KS8000
I'm still using a Westinghouse LVN-47W1 (1920 X 1080 60hz fluorescent panel, no TV Tuner) which I purchased in 2007. I use it primarily as a PC monitor. It is on a separate stand in front of my desk at five feet from my face. I also use it as a TV (using a set-top box) as well as movies and documentaries in .mkv format via my PC. And of course Video Games also via the PC. I'm currently using an Nvidia GTX-950 video card. I have been extremely satisfied with the image quality of the Westinghouse as my primary PC monitor. Text is crisp and everything in both Windows XP and Windows 7 look crisp and clean as well. However, the panel is slowly becoming "blotchy" and uneven, most notably with dark scenes in movies and games. I'm considering the KS8000
(either 49" or 55") as a replacement since it seems to be one of the best reviewed for use as a PC monitor. Can you speculate as to how the text and overall Windows appearance will compare to my ancient Westinghouse? Would you recommend an alternative to the KS8000? Thank You so much for all the reviews and information you provide.
is a great choice for an all-round display and one of the best TVs as a PC monitor. For clearest text, set the input type to 'PC'. Windows will appear sharp and very clean. The biggest downside of the KS8000 is that because of the way it is edge-lit, highlights in dark scenes may have blooming. This is not an issue for most people. Overall the uniformity is very good, and the TV should be an improvement over your Westinghouse.
Is it true you should only get 4k TV's at 60 inches and above to truly experience the benefits of 4k. I recently ordered this TV at 55 inches so this is kind of important to me.
Not really, what is really important for 4k is the distance you are from the screen. Since from a certain distance, your eyes are not good enough to distinguish all the details. So if your TV is too far, your eye will not make the difference between a 4k or 1080p resolution. For a 55" 4k TV, the ideal distance would be under 7'.
I'm looking for a 65" model. Samsung KS8000
vs vizio p65-c1? What do you think is better. Use mostly for streaming services like Netflix, YouTube, Chromecast, and live sports. Sometimes news channels. Not interested in gaming or 3D. Which should I go with?
For your usage, you will probably prefer the KS8000
. The Vizio P65-C1
is better for SDR gaming and for movies in a dark room. The KS8000 is better for lower quality content and for sports with panning shots (due to better screen uniformity).
The Samsung KS8000 is also better for HDR gaming due to the low input lag.
Hi guys - love the site, the level of detail, and the effort you guys put into your reviews. I'm considering taking the plunge for a KS800D at Costco, mostly because I'm not a fan of a chrome frame, but also because the warranty seems better there. Two questions.
1. Do you have ANY reason to believe that the KS800D and KS8000
are different in any meaningful way other than the color of the frame and stand?
2. Do you know when the KS series will become DirecTV ready (i.e. allow DirectTV viewing without an external box)? The DirecTV sales guys at Costco love to tout this feature, but it doesn't appear from the Samsung and DirecTV websites that the 2016s are there yet.
Apart from minor differences like the frame and stand, the two TVs are the same. All the KS series TVs are 'DirecTV ready' as can be seen in their specs on the Samsung website
On my previous TVs, game and PC modes had the same input lag so I just used PC but that's not the case for the KS8000
. What settings are disabled when Game mode is used on the KS8000? Likewise, what settings are disabled when the PC mode is set on the input? Can Game mode be enabled on for an input labeled PC? Thanks for all your hard work!
On the KS8000, when 'Game' mode in enabled the following options are unavailable.
- Digital Clean View
- Auto Motion Plus
- HDMI Black Level
- 10 Point White Balance
- RGB Only Mode
When an input is labelled PC, it is not possible to enable 'Game' or 'HDR+' mode. The picture modes are limited to 'Standard' and 'Dynamic', and the following settings are unavailable.
- Digital Clean View
- Auto Motion Plus
- HDMI Black Level
- Dynamic Contrast
- 10 Point White Balance
- RGB Only Mode
- Color Space
I want to thank you for this awesome website, my question is regarding Dual voltage support, does it support it, specs indicate its 120v but reports claim Samsung TVs are dual voltage is that the case with KS8000
, anyway to tell, thank you very much. :)
We did check our Samsung KS8000
TV and they can only support AC 110V-120V ～ 50/60Hz unlike other TV like LG and Sony TVs that support AC 100-240V ～ 50/60Hz. So it seems that the KS8000 are not dual voltage TVs, at least for the American models (UN**KS8000).
I can confirm the 55" also has an AA02 - purchased from Amazon. AA02 shows very little light bleed along the top when watching movies with black bars (compared to what I've seen in pictures depicting FA01 panels). Feel this may fall in line with your Samsung panel lottery tests from earlier this year.
Thank you for the information - the review has been updated to mention this.
I'm considering a 65KS8000. Will I be able to connect bluetooth headphones and have an added soundbar both work at the same time?
Great site, thanks.
No, it is not possible to output audio to two devices from the KS8000
. If your soundbar supports bluetooth then one workaround is to purchase an optical to bluetooth transmitter which can support two devices, such as this
Have you guys been able to test this TV with the Xbox One S for how it handles gaming at 4k or HDR? I am not sure that there is HDR for gaming yet, but I am planning on buying the PS4 Pro when it hits on Nov 10 and this is the TV (KS8000
) I am zeroing in on and want to make sure that 3-5 years down the line this would still be a decent TV. Secondly, how long is the normal “lifespan” of a TV do you think, if I do get the KS8000 how long generally would it be until a real upgrade would be needed again? Thank you!
We just bought our XBox One S last week and we tried Forza on the KS8000
. Works great. As for lifespan, there is no way to know, since we don't know what technologies will come out in the future. TV manufacturers are working hard so that you have to upgrade often, but if you don't care about the latest trends, it should give you a great picture quality for at least 5 years.
Thanks for all the great information, it really helped with my buying decision. I got this TV in the end and there's something that I think is worth mentioning.
Unlike some TVs there is no apparent way to turn off the automatic backlight dimming that happens when content on screen is mostly dark unless you use PC mode. This effect isn't too intrusive but it can cause text in credits to be noticeably dimmed for example. I expected to be able to use PC mode for live TV and native apps like Netflix but it seems that isn't an option — PC mode is only available for additional HDMI sources. If you know how to achieve this for normal TV viewing it'd be good to know.
Unfortunately, there is no easy way to disable the dimming but if you adjust the calibration it is possible. Do this by increasing the 'Brightness' so that blacks appear gray and the dimming doesn't occur, and then adjust the blacks back using the 2 point white balance. We generally don't recommend this, as the exact values depend on a unit by unit basis and it can be difficult to get a good result with the 2 point calibration.
What is HDMI UHD Color? I use my TVs for home theater PC use. Just wondering if in the future I'll need to choose between 4:4:4 chroma and UHD color. But I suppose that's not an issue as Mk movies are not in 4:4:4 chroma right?
'HDMI UHD Color' is to enable higher color bit depth such as chroma 4:4:4. HDR content also benefit from the additional color data even if movies aren't using 4:4:4.
Like you've mentioned before, the top of the TV looks like it's bleeding white at the top. Can this be reduced at all? Or is it because it's an edge lit TV? Does full array have a problem like this?
Unfortunately there is nothing you can do to reduce this issue. It is because of the way the Samsung KS series are edge lit, and is not always an issue for edge lit TVs.
I have found a report suggesting that HDR is disabled when 'Game' mode is enabled on this TV. Can you confirm this information? With Xbox One S supporting HDR gaming and PS4 Neo on the horizon this kind of information is something that could be included in your (excellent) reviews.
Yes HDR is working under 'Game' mode. To have all the benefit of HDR under 'Game' mode, you need to set the 'Color Space' to 'Native', set the backlight to max and set 'Smart LED' to 'High'.
I am on the fence between this and J6200
. Other than 4k and HDR ( I do not have HDR content), the only feature from the KS8000
I might find useful is the HDR+ mode ("Fake HDR"). Is the HDR+ difference enough to justify the cost or is HDR+ more of a gimmick?
The HDR+ mode simulates HDR content by converting SDR to HDR. It over saturates and increased the contrast of normal content, so we do not recommend enabling it.
Your Samsung KS8000
review makes it a great choice for a premium non OLED display. My only concern is the local dimming having such a poor score.
I do watch TV in a room at night which is dimly lit as well as in that same room which has plenty of natural sunlight during the day. Will the poor local dimming aspect of the KS8000 be a problem for me at night? Also, is the KS8000 49" a 120hz panel as well?
It should not be a deal breaker. You might see some blooming in the top and bottom black bar when watching a widescreen movie with a 2.35:1 ratio. But beside this it is not that bad. The 49" version of the KS8000
should have the same specification than all the other size in this model.
Just purchased the 49" KS8000
. Does it matter where I connect the HDMI cord onto the One Connect box?
If you use a receiver with support for ARC, then you should plug the receiver into HDMI 4. Otherwise the ports are the same, so it doesn't matter.
Hello I would like to ask a question if I may... I have a Xbox One S and I'm wondering which HDMI should I plug it into for good gaming with my console and also do you accept donations? I'll be more than glad to hook you guys up for your hard work. Thanks!!!!
Thank you for the feedback, but we don't accept donations of any kind. All HDMI ports on the KS8000
are identical so use any. For the Xbox One S you can follow our calibration settings shown here
Do you still recommend Warm 2 color tone even if we can't copy your exact values as you said?
Yes, since it is the mode that have the color profile the closest to what we try to obtain when doing the calibration.
So I also purchased this TV to use for HDR 4k gaming and also 4k 60hz PC gaming. I noticed that the input lag under PC mode or 4:4:4 is much more then regular game mode, however while hooked up to the PC I am able to put the TV to 4k 60hz at 444 and then change the input to game console. This does not change the fact that the resolution stays the same at 4k 60hz. Therefore i was hoping you would be able to test this out in regards to input lag and please let me know if having the input labeled game console under 4k 60hz 4:4:4 reduces the input lag from 34ms back down to 20ms range. If not could you please inform me why 4k 60hz 4:4:4 has increased input lag when all the settings are turned off to reduce lag? Please let me know it's driving me crazy and you guys are brilliant.
This is possible, and it does reduce the input lag to the 'game' levels. The disadvantage is that in this mode it doesn't display chroma subsampling correctly, however for most people this isn't an issue. In some situations chroma subsampling can increase the readability of text on certain backgrounds.
Since the TV doesn't support 1080p at 120hz on the PC section, does it affect console gaming? Should I go with the xbr55850D if I game and watch movies mostly in 1080p for now?
This doesn't affect console gaming, all of the current gen consoles are either 30Hz or 60Hz, depending on the console and the game. The KS8000
is in general a better TV, with better blacks and picture quality for movies, and lower input lag for gaming. The viewing angle of the X850D
is better, but not worth the other sacrifices.
I am looking to get either the Vizio P65, M65 or the Samsung KS8000
for watching cable TV, Netflix, and sports(primarily football) in my "man cave" which has two large windows that have translucent blinds off to the side - no reflective glare, but not a bright room(not dark either, though). Which do you recommend? Also, for HDR, it seems that one has to always change settings from non-HDR viewing to get the best picture. Is this true and, if so, is there anyway to have the desired settings automatically selected w/o having to change it each time I watch HDR content? Also, should I even consider Dolby Vision?
Go with the Samsung KS8000
, since it can get more bright than the 2 Vizio, even if you have a lot of light in the room, you will still be able to see the screen very good. If you compare also the KS8000 and the Vizio TVs, you will note that the Samsung is a lot better dealing with reflection. Also, the Samsung will do a better jog at upscaling lower resolution content like cable TV.
For HDR, now you don't need to change manually the settings. Most TV out there will detect the HDR signal and change automatically to HDR mode. As for Dolby Vision/HDR10 format, you should be okay with the Samsung even if it does not support the Dolby Vision, since all Blu-ray HDR movies will support HDR10 and some both formats. Streaming app also often offer both format for HDR movies.
Thanks so much for this site. It was invaluable in choosing a TV! I just bought the 49" last week. However, I'm having an issue and I'm wondering if anyone else is frustrated by the lack of source control? I'm using the 49" KS8000
with a Denon AVR-X3200w receiver. I have several HDMI-CEC devices: a FireTV (1st gen), Chromecast (2nd gen), and PS3 Slim all connected to the receiver, which is then connected to the TV (HDMI 4). I enabled HDMI bypass on the receiver, and will frequently watch content without turning on the receiver. On my old Samsung (a 32" from about 6-7 years ago) I could scan for Anynet+ (ie HDMI-CEC) devices, and it would detect them all, even with the receiver off and in HDMI pass-through/bypass mode. The ability to pass through the source selection was great: I could press a button on the FireTV remote and HDMI-CEC would usually ensure that the TV auto switched. If the TV failed to switch, I could bring up the TV's source selection menu, and manually select anything that was plugged in to the receiver, even with the receiver off. However, the KS8000 doesn't seem capable of this. Using the same device topology, I only have one source option: HDMI 4. This means that from the TV I can choose the receiver, but I can't see past that, to select between the FireTV/Chromecast/PS3. This means that when I want to manually change source, I have to power up the amp, change source, I have to waste time powering up the amp, then powering it down again. Samsung's new menus for configuring connections and the remote seem pretty worthless. Did they remove this functionality from their TV's, or am I doing something wrong? Is Samsung's new HDMI-CEC implementation broken? Are there any other TV brands that do this correctly? Thanks!
We don't have the same equipment as you do, so it is hard to test and reproduce the same problem that you have and we currently don't test this kind of function at the moment (i.e. control many AV equipment trough the same receiver via HDMI-CEC) unfortunately so we cannot tell you if Samsung implementation have change or is broken in that sense.
Hey, I've been spending every day for the last few weeks pouring over these reviews, and I think I've narrowed it down to Vizio P series vs. Samsung KS8000
(probably around 55 size). I'm by no means a huge savant when it comes to tech or televisions, but I am becoming more intrigued and educating myself. I'd like an all-around solid and future-proof TV (4k, HDR and so forth) that will last. I anticipate average conditions (lighting, seating, etc.) for the gamut of uses (movies, TV, streaming, some gaming, etc.). My main question is dealing with the Vizio P-series' FALD with better local dimming vs. the Samsung KS8000 which has edge and poor local dimming. The scores for both TVs seem to be pretty close in quality, but I can't tell whether one TV is truly offering a better experience over the other, because they don't directly compare. I like almost everything about the Samsung more (expect the extra $300 in price), but I wonder whether I would be "missing" out and shooting myself in the foot with the Samsung due to its lack of the FALD and improved local dimming? What do you think?
As you have noted, they don't directly compare as they each have benefits for different situations. The Vizio P Series 2016
is better in a dark room, due to the better local dimming and lower screen brightness. It also has a more narrow viewing angle, so requires directly in front. The Samsung KS8000
performs better in a brighter room, where the blooming from the local dimming is less obvious. They are both excellent TVs, with excellent picture quality. For an average room, the Samsung is a slightly better pick.
I will be gaming with a GTX 1080 equipped PC. I see that input lag is lower in game mode then PC mode. Will using game mode negatively affect colors or anything else while playing games? Will HDR games work in PC mode?
No it will not affect negatively color or anything else. People like to use PC mode, because it disactivates most image processing option, which some people like. For a good HDR experience while gaming, once that game mode is enabled, increase the backlight to max, set the 'Color Space' to 'Native' and set 'Smart LED' to high. Note that HDR will also work in PC mode.
How are you able to measure HDR input lag? I also own a 1080p bodnar tester but the tester does not send HDR metadata so the TVs are not kicked into HDR mode?
We inject the HDR metadata using the HDFury Integral and Linker.
Do you have a recommendation for a good, low profile wall mount with this TV?
In our lab we currently don't use any wall mount, but any low profile wall mount compatible with the Vesa 400x400 standard should do a good job. Here is an example
that should work good.
What is local dimming exactly? I see that it is not very good on this TV, is it a problem?
It is not a deal breaker for the majority of people, because you might notice it only in dark scene. Local dimming is a feature on LED TVs that turn on and off the backlight behind parts of the screen that are displaying black. Since the KS8000
is an edge lit TV, it can only turn off the LED on vertical zone. This mean even if the local dimming is active, you will still see some vertical blooming where there is some bright highlight. You can read this article
if you want to know more about local dimming.
Many tvs have stands that allow you to turn the tv for different viewing angles. I have a couch and Chair/Ottoman and my current tv tilt to face both. With the stand on this tv it looks like I wouldn't be able to do that. Is that a correct assessment? Thank you!
That's correct, it can't rotate. It is possible to buy a VESA mount which can turn, such as this
Great reviews for the simple minded and the like. I was wanting to see if you would be doing review on the Samsung KS8500 Series? Also what settings would you recommend for console playing (Xbox One). Thanks for your info.
We do have plans to review the KS8500 within the next few weeks, and will be able to recommend ideal settings then. We expect it to be similar to the KS8000
, and as such you should enable 'Game Mode' and disable other features (Digital Clean View and Auto Motion Plus).
If 65" is not an option, would you recommend getting the smaller 55" for the better viewing angle compared to the 60"? Does it make that much of a difference? Any other downsides? It's hard to find concrete info for the 60" online.
Unfortunately we don't have the 60" to compare to, and also haven't heard much concrete information about the 60". The difference in viewing angle should not be very significant, as all VA panels have limited angles. Generally the differences between panels are not very significant, as can be seen here
. Due to the lack of information we can't advise you on the 60", but the 55" is a very good performing all-round TV.
I currently own an JS8500
and I wanna purchase an KS8000
because I see that The JS8500 has a low rating for dark scenes so I was wondering if I watch the KS8000 at night time, would it be a good purchase? It has an 8/10 for dark scenes, is it really am upgrade over JS8500 for night time viewing? Will the blacks be really black at night or will it be noticeable?
is a very good purchase for night time viewing and it is an upgrade from the JS8500
. The black, in a dark room, are very deep compare to any other LED TVs. You might see some blooming in certain scene with bright highlight, but all edge lit TVs will do this.
I am going to buy a Samsung UN65KS8000FXZA and have found that some are built in Asia and some in Mexico. The site I'm considering buying from has a price on the TV made in Asia at $870.00 less than the price of the TV manufactured in Mexico. Is there any difference between the two based on manufacturing locations to justify the price difference? Thank you
This seem to be a bait and switch tactic used by shady retailers. Always check that the retailers you are shopping with is an authorized reseller to avoid problems. To know whether or not they are authorized, for Samsung, you can look here
I am really interested in the Samsung UN65KS8000FXZA but noticed it does not have RCA composite inputs. I will be mainly using the TV for Blu-ray movies in a dark room and cable TV viewing in both light and dark rooms, but I want to also be able to connect my VCR/DVD recorder and original NES and still have them upscaled in decent quality. What TV would you recommend that is similar to the KS8000
for these purposes that has composite inputs? I don't want to buy a Composite to HDMI adapter because I've heard mixed reviews on the reliability. Thanks so much!
If you want to stay in the same ball park as the Samsung KS8000
, the Sony X930D
would be a good choice. It is a very good TV with a similar picture quality and the construction feel even a little more high end than the Samsung. It does have inputs that would be compatible with your older equipment and the Sony upscaling is one of the best out there.
I am going to purchase this TV. My viewing distance from the TV will be 5-6 feet. I watch mainly sports from DirecTV and streaming content from Netflix. Would a 55 inch be too big? Thanks
A 55" would be perfect. From a distance of 5'-6' it is enough that you get the maximum field of view, without being able to see individual pixels.
Does turning on the HDMI UHD color for a selected input increase the input lag while in game mode? Any suggestions for playing Xbox One S with the 4K upscaling? Thanks.
No it does not. Turn on 'Game mode' and set the 'Color Space' to 'Native' for the wide color gamut then copy our calibration settings shown here
I need some clarification please. Are there specific settings that need to be made on this set in order to receive HDR content? For example: does it have to be assigned to "movie" mode for HDR. I am currently streaming supposedly HDR material from Netflix (Marco Polo). I can see absolutely no difference between non-HDR streamed material and the few offerings on Netflix that should be HDR. No indicators "pop-up" to advise me a HDR signal is being received. I am concerned my brand new set may be defective. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks.
On Netflix, there is no pop up telling you that the HDR mode has been turn on. This is a problem with the Netflix app and not the TV. If you watch a movie from a USB drive or via an UHD Blu-ray player, there will be a pop up telling you that an HDR video is playing. HDR also work on other picture mode, but it is advice to be in 'Movie' mode if you are only watching movie.
Note that not all HDR videos are created equal, some video may have a better 'HDR rendering' than other. Marco polo is maybe not the best video to demonstrate a great HDR performance.
On the UN55KS800D, could you tell me what is the distance between the stands? Does it have 2 different stand settings like that of the 65 inch?
The UN55KS800D has only one stand position. The distance between the leg is about 43" and the total footprint of the stand is 44.1" x 9.1".
I look at Vizio's TVs as a possible purchase. The problem is most Vizio's TVs do not have a built in digital turners for over the air TV. So how does one solve this problem?
You need to buy a digital tuner box like this one
I own a KS8000
55” which replaced a Vizio 480i-b1, both were purchased based on your reviews and I was and am very happy with those purchases. My problem with the Samsung is I cannot figure out how to save a custom preset like I could with the Vizio, which had several custom preset slots which were available to all the separate inputs. This is the only thing that I found so far that I do not like about the Samsung. I use it primarily as a PC monitor and secondarily for movies, no games. I hope you can show me how to set at least 2 presets on one input. I have 3 pc’s and an ATT u-verse set top box using all 4 HDMI inputs, all the PC’s are set to PC.
You cannot save a custom preset unfortunately. Only Vizio TVs have that feature.
I would like to know if the 49 inch is the same as buying a 55 inch? As I mean it has all the specs exactly like a 55 inch or it's something like 60hz only and so on due to it being a smaller TV?
It should be the same as the other size.
I used a M8 50mm screw and had to use a thin washer between the screw head and the TV mount.The 43 to 45 mm distance (distance C in the diagram in Samsung manual) is not the length of the screw.The diagram Samsung provides in the user manual about installing the plastic wall mount adapters shows that the 43 to 45mm distance is the distance from the TV side of your wall mounting bracket/plate through the adapter and to the bottom of the threads in the actual TV. Anything shorter than 43 will not hold properly and longer than 45mm can cause damage.Samsung shows the measurement this way to account for varying thickness measurements of your wall mounting brackets/plate that attach to the TV . If your bracket is thicker/thinner you may need an even longer/shorter screw. The best way is to put your screw through the bracket and Samsungs plastic wall mount adapter and measure from the bottom of the screw to the TV side of wall mount bracket/plate. If it measures between 43 mm and 45 mm you are good to go.In my case an M8 50 mm screw distance "C" measured 46mm and I had to add a thin M8 washer between the bottom of the screw head and my bracket/plate.Distance "C" ended up being approximately 44mm. I wish Samsung had made the threads in the TV deeper to allow for more margin of error and strength. 2mm is a very tiny window. Also enjoyed your review and it helped guide me to my purchase of this TV in the 65 inch size.
Thank you for the additional information. Unfortunately it is a small margin for error, but the washer trick should work well to get the right length of screw for the wall mount.
If I'm understanding correctly this answer contradicts what it says in your review.
4:4:4 Chroma Subsampling is only available with HDMI UHD Color set to on correct?
If so the input lag is increased (almost doubled) with 4:4:4/HDMI UHD Colour enabled.
1080p @ 60Hz: 20.9 ms,
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.8 ms,
4k @ 60Hz: 22.7 ms,
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4: 37.4 ms,
4k @ 60Hz + HDR: 21.1 ms,
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR: 37.6 ms
Turning on HDMI UHD Color allows higher bandwidth sources (HDMI 2.0). As such, it is not required for 1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4, but is required for 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4. This setting by itself does not increase the input lag, but in order to display the chroma subsampling it is necessary to change the input to 'PC'. For the XBox One S it is best to enable HDMI UHD Color, and leave it on the 'Game' picture mode.
What meter did you use to calibrate this TV? Seeing that this is quantum dot display, I have a hard time selecting the right profile for my Spyder5. I have the following choices:
1) A non-refresh type display with a generic calibration
2) A refresh type display with a generic calibration
3) LCD, CCFL Backlight - normal gamut Liquid Crystal Display with standard Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp backlight.
4) Wide Gamut LCD, CCFL Backlight - wide gamut Liquid Crystal Display with Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamps backlight.
5) LCD, White LED Backlight - normal gamut Liquid Crystal Display with a White LED backlight.
6) Wide Gamut LCD, RGB LED Backlight - wide gamut Liquid Crystal Display with RGB LED backlight.
7) LCD, CCFL Type 2 Backlight - normal gamut Liquid Crystal Display with alternative Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp backlight (Laptop ?)
To calibrate our TVs, we use a Colorimetry Research CR-250-RH spectrophotometer and CalMAN 5 for Business software. We haven't used a Spyder5, but the profile for 'Wide Color Gamut LCD with a RGB LED Backlight' is probably best.
I bought the 49inch and how do you change the video on the YouTube app to 4k quality?
The YouTube app will automatically play a video in 4k if the 4k resolutions is available for the specific video and only if you have the required internet speed. Usually you will need around 25mps or more to be able to stream 4k videos.
Can I set different modes for different inputs at the same time, ex HDMI 1 movie mode, HDMI 2 game mode without having to switch it manually every time I switch the input.
Yes you can, the TV will remember your preferences.
What are the best settings for displaying 1080p content? My satellite displays at 1080i and my Xbox One displays at 1080p I won't be updating to 4K until Xbox Scorpio is released next year.
There isn't much more you should do for 1080p content, except maybe turning on 'Digital Clean View' if you notice too much noise.
Does this TV support HDMI switches for extra HDMI ports?
Yes, ensure the HDMI switch supports the full bandwidth of your source.
Does having 3D tech in a TV whether or not it's in use, affect the input lag on the TV? Can't help but notice all these 2016 Samsung's have fantastically low input lag and they don't have 3D.
No, it is not related. Some 2015 Samsung TVs also had mid 20ms input lag, and they have the 3D feature.
I have heard about HDMI 2.0a. Is that what is on this new Samsung KS800? Is 2.0a different from 2.0?
And how important is USB3 input on these tv's when playing a movie from a stick? Even the 2016's seem to be hard to find USB3.
The Samsung KS8000
has HDMI 2.0a ports which enable high bandwidth speed and the transmission of HDR data. HDMI 2.0 alone didn't included the additional HDR data. USB3 allows for faster speed which can be handy, for example, for scanning a hard drive full of movie files. For most, USB2 should be just fine.
I was thinking about getting the Samsung 55 inch KS8000
cause I bought a LG 42 inch LN5400
a while back and its terrible black level always bothers me since I view in a pitch black room most of the time (wished I had listened to y'all instead of the reviews at the store) and was wondering how much better it would be in terms of blacks and just overall I don't know if it helps but I mostly game but watch movies too.
will be an improvement in almost all aspects, however the viewing angle will be more narrow. The KS8000 has a great contrast ratio and picture quality, and lower input lag for gaming.
Just curious, how does the stand attach to the frame of the TV? I've never seen this type of stand from Samsung before, and it looks a little unstable. Can you elaborate on the "no screws or tools" statement, please?
The stand of the Samsung KS8000
is very stable. When we said "no screws or tools", we mean that there was none that was needed while assembling it, it was as simple as pushing the leg into the TV and hearing a clip sound.
Hi, nice reviews. Is there a big difference watching HDR content between the 65js8500 and the 65ks8000?
For HDR content there is not a big different between the JS8500
and the KS8000
. They both have a very similar color gamut and support the same formats with a 10 bit panel. The only significant difference is the higher peak brightness and contrast ratio of the KS8000 which allows highlights and shadows to be more prominent. This is not a big difference.
Hey, how about Cedric doing HDTV video reviews again. Haven't seen new ones in forever it seems.
There are a few things which need to be completed first, but expect to have the first video review posted again by the end of July. The aim is to be able to complete one a week.
Not only the UK, at least full Europe has the KS7000 series. Not ckecked Asia, Australia, Africa
Thank you for pointing this out, we have updated our answer.
Any idea if this TV is going to have Dynamic HDR10 functionality added? If so, any idea how?
It is rumored to be happening via a firmware update, but has not been confirmed from any verified sources yet.
I saw you rated this TV as the best 60 inch you can buy. Have you seen one or is the picture quality just going to be identical to the 55 you reviewed.
We only have the 55" model. The 60" variation is very similar, but with a slightly narrower viewing angle and slightly thicker bezel.
Based on your review, I am considering buying the Samsung UN60KS8000
, however I notice that it has a glossy screen.
I am concerned about reflections on the glossy screen as my living room has some large windows.
Is there a 55 or 60 inch TV comparable to the KS8000
that has a matte finish screen?
Thanks for all of the informative reviews!
is one of the better TVs we have tested for dealing with reflections. It does have a glossy finish, but there is a coating which reduces the intensity of reflections and the screen does get bright to combat glare. There are no matte screens on the market anymore.