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    Table of Contents
  1. Intro
  2. Design
    1. Stand
    2. Borders
    3. Thickness
  3. Picture Quality
    1. Contrast
    2. Local Dimming
    3. SDR Peak Brightness
    4. HDR Peak Brightness
    5. Gray Uniformity
    6. Viewing Angle
    7. Black Uniformity
    8. Gradient
    9. Pre Calibration
    10. Post Calibration
    11. 480p Input
    12. 720p Input
    13. 1080p Input
    14. 4k Input
    15. Color Gamut
    16. Reflections
    17. 3D
    18. Pixels
  4. Motion
    1. Motion Blur
    2. Image Flicker
    3. 24p Playback
    4. Motion Interpolation
  5. Inputs
    1. Input Lag
    2. Supported Resolutions
    3. Side Inputs
    4. Rear Inputs
    5. Total Inputs
    6. Inputs Specifications
  6. Sound Quality
    1. Frequency Response
    2. Total Harmonic Distortion
  7. Smart Features
    1. Ads
    2. Remote
    3. Misc
  8. Conclusion
  9. Q&A
Reviewed on Jul 02, 2015

Sony X930C
TV REVIEW

Usage Ratings
8.0Mixed Usage
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What it is General purpose. The TV will be used for a variety of content and usages. Movies at night, TV shows during the day, video games from time to time, etc.
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8.2Movies
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What it is Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
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7.7TV Shows
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What it is TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
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7.6Sports
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What it is Sports in a living room. The TV will be used to watch sports during the day, like football or hockey. Usually watched with a group, so from multiple viewing position.
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8.4Video Games
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What it is Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
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8.2HDR Movies
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What it is HDR Movies and TV shows. The TV will be used to watch 4k UHD HDR content, with a wide color gamut and a high peak brightness. Either via UHD Blu-rays or HDR streaming.
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7.8HDR Gaming
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What it is HDR Gaming. The TV will be used to play HDR video games using consoles that support it or on current generation gaming PCs. Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, GTX 10 series and AMD RX series graphics cards.
7.7PC Monitor
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What it is PC Monitor. The TV will be used as a PC monitor, from 2-3 feet away, either for productivity purposes or gaming. Sharp text is important, as well as a high resolution.
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This tv has been discontinued.
It was replaced by the Sony X930D

Type : LED
Resolution : 4k
Refresh Rate : 120 Hz

The Sony X930C is an excellent UHD LED TV. It can get very bright and has great motion control. However, it loses picture quality at an angle and its gray uniformity is sub-par.

Test Results
Design 9.0
Picture Quality 7.9
Motion 8.7
Inputs 7.5
Sound Quality 8.1
Smart Features 8.0
Pros
  • Wider color gamut
  • Deep and uniform blacks
  • Great motion controls
  • Very bright
Cons
  • Limited viewing angle
  • Sub-par gray uniformity

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65" XBR65X930C
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9.0

Design

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Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C Design Picture
Curved : No

The Sony X930C is very wide, due to its front facing speakers on both sides of the TV. It is thicker at the bottom than at the top.

The stand can be set to two positions. The wider one offers a bit more stability, but the narrow setting is good for smaller surfaces.

Stand
Sony X930C Stand Picture

Dimensions of stand (narrow): 11.5" x 24". Dimensions of stand (wide): 11.5" x 67".

Borders
Sony X930C Borders Picture
Borders : 5.51" (14 cm)

Thickness
Sony X930C Thickness Picture
Max Thickness : 3.50" (8.9 cm)

7.9

Picture Quality

The Sony X930C is a fabulous TV for watching movies. The blacks are really deep and uniform, so nighttime scenes will look their best on this TV.

You get some cool extra features here, like X-tended Dynamic Range, which makes lighter highlights in the picture really bright, and auto local dimming, which makes darker portions of the image extra dark. They work reasonably well (there are some light blooming issues with each), so you might as well try them out and see if you like them.

8.8 Contrast
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What it is: Brightness difference between white and black. This is the main component of picture quality.
When it matters: Always, but especially when watching dark scenes.
Score components:
Native Contrast
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What it is: Ratio of the white brightness divided by the blacks measured on our checkerboard test pattern with a white target of 100 cd/m².
When it matters: Dark scenes in a dark room.
Good value: > 3,000
Noticeable difference: 500
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5005 : 1

The native contrast ratio of the Sony XBR-65X930C is great. We measured the same contrast ratio with the local dimming feature turned on, as measured on a checkboard pattern.

3.5 Local Dimming
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What it is: The lights behind the LCD layer adapt to the picture displayed, improving the contrast ratio.
When it matters: Dark scenes viewed in a dark room.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Local Dimming
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What it is: Whether it has a feature that controls the LEDs behind the LCD layer, to match the picture and darkens the dark portion of it.
When it matters: On LED TVs only. Dark scenes viewed in a dark room.
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Yes
Backlight
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What it is: Configuration of the lights of the backlight.
When it matters: Effectiveness of the local dimming.
Good value: Full-array/direct lighting is better for local dimming. As for the uniformity of the screen, it depends on the implementation. Some edge-lit TVs have more uniform blacks than some full-array TVs.
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Edge

The Sony XBR65X930C's zones are vertical, due to its edge-lit backlight. The blooming spawns a bigger area than on the Samsung JS9500, but it is a bit less obvious, because the TV has a better native contrast ratio. Overall though, you will probably prefer the local dimming on the JS9500, because it is a bit more aggressive.

7.4 SDR Peak Brightness
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What it is: How bright the screen can get. Measured with local dimming and with SDR content.
When it matters: Bright living rooms; bright objects; SDR content.
SDR Peak 2% Window
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What it is: The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 2% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
When it matters: Bright highlights, present on screen for a short time; especially for SDR content.
Good value: > 400 cd/m2
Noticeable difference: 100 cd/m2
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658 cd/m2
SDR Peak 50% Window
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What it is: The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 50% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
When it matters: Bright rooms.
Good value: > 400 cd/m2
Noticeable difference: 100 cd/m2
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419 cd/m2

HDR Peak Brightness
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What it is: How bright the screen can get. Measured with local dimming and over HDR signal (if supported).
When it matters: Bright living rooms; bright objects; HDR content.

The peak luminosity on a 2% window is only slightly lower than the Samsung JS9500's.

6.7 Gray Uniformity
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What it is: Evenness of colors onscreen (not just gray).
When it matters: Solid colors. Sports, panning shots.
Score components:
Sony X930C 50% Uniformity Picture
50% Std. Dev.
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What it is: Average squared difference of pixels when displaying a mid 50% gray.
When it matters: Solid colors. Sports, panning shots.
Good value: < 2.5%
Noticeable difference: 1%
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4.351 %
50% DSE
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What it is: High-frequency variance of uniformity. Dark spots on the screen.
When it matters: Solid colors. Sports, panning shots.
Good value: < 0.165%
Noticeable difference: 0.025%
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0.199 %

The gray uniformity is not very good on this TV. It has less dirty screen effect than the Samsung JS9500, but the screen is not as uniform overall.

4.2 Viewing Angle
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What it is: Color accuracy when viewed from the side.
When it matters: Large living rooms with multiple viewing positions.
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LCD Type
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What it is: Type of LCD technology used by the TV.
When it matters: Different technologies have different viewing angle properties.
Good value: IPS maintains good color accuracy at an angle, but has a poor contrast ratio from in front. VA has great picture quality in front, but loses saturation at an angle.
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VA
Color Shift
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What it is: Angle where the colors noticeable shift compared to when viewed from directly in front of the TV. 0 ° means directly facing the TV. Measurements are up to a maximum of 75 °.
When it matters: Large living rooms with multiple viewing positions.
Good value: > 50°
Noticeable difference: 10°
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20 °
Brightness
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What it is: Angle where the brightness drops to 50% of the brightness directly in front of the TV. 0 ° means directly facing the TV. Measurements are up to a maximum of 75 °.
When it matters: Large living rooms with multiple viewing positions.
Good value: > 50°
Noticeable difference: 10°
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30 °
Black Level
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What it is: Angle where the black level drops to 50% of the black level directly in front of the TV. 0 ° means directly facing the TV. Measurements are up to a maximum of 75 °.
When it matters: Large living rooms with multiple viewing positions.
Good value: > 50°
Noticeable difference: 10°
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18 °

At about 18 degrees off-axis, the picture loses saturation, and the blacks are not as great.

Update 01/06/2017: We have changed the methodology of testing. Since this is an old TV which we don't have anymore, we extrapolated the results from 2016 TVs.

9.6 Black Uniformity
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What it is: Evenness of blacks.
When it matters: Dark scenes viewed in a dark room.
Score components:
Sony X930C Native Black Uniformity Picture
Native Std. Dev.
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What it is: Average of the squared difference of the blacks.
When it matters: Dark scenes viewed in a dark room.
Good value: < 2%
Noticeable difference: 1%, but keep in mind that it varies a lot by unit, even of the same model; yours likely will not end up exactly like ours.
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0.637 %

The black uniformity is excellent. LED TVs don't get much better than this.

9.5 Gradient
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What it is: How finely levels of color can be displayed.
When it matters: Details in shadows, sky and skin tones. Matters more for HDR content.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Color Depth
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What it is: Number of bits per pixel to represent a specific color. Note: we consider 8-bit with dithering to be equivalent to 10-bit, as long as the 10-bit gradient looks smooth.
When it matters: HDR content like UHD Blu-ray players. Won't matter for cable TV, regular Blu-ray movies, video game consoles or content displayed from a Windows PC. Those are limited to 8-bit color.
Good value: 10-bit.
Noticeable difference: 1 bit.
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10 Bit

8.1 Pre Calibration
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What it is: TV's color accuracy before a full calibration. Only the picture mode and backlight level were changed.
When it matters: All video on an uncalibrated TV. This represents most people's use cases.
Score components:
Sony X930C Pre Calibration Picture Sony X930C Pre Gamma Curve Picture Sony X930C Pre Color Picture
White Balance dE
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What it is: Average inaccuracy of shades of gray.
When it matters: Overall color temperature of all video.
Good value: < 3
Noticeable difference: 1
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4.37
Color dE
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What it is: Average inaccuracy of colors.
When it matters: All colors.
Good value: < 3
Noticeable difference: 1
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2.3884
Gamma
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What it is: Brightness of shades of gray.
When it matters: Shadows.
Good value: Between 2.1 and 2.3 (our target is 2.2)
Noticeable difference: 0.1
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2.27

In movie mode, the presets are quite good.

9.5 Post Calibration
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What it is: TV's color accuracy after a full calibration with a spectrophotometer.
When it matters: All video on a TV that has been professionally calibrated. This isn't that useful, because most TVs can achieve a pretty good calibration if you spend enough time on them.
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Sony X930C Post Calibration Picture Sony X930C Post Gamma Curve Picture Sony X930C Post Color Picture
White Balance dE
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What it is: Average inaccuracy of shades of gray.
When it matters: Overall color temperature of all videos.
Good value: < 3
Noticeable difference: 1
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0.66
Color dE
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What it is: Average inaccuracy of colors.
When it matters: All colors.
Good value: < 3
Noticeable difference: 1
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0.9954
Gamma
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What it is: Brightness of shades of gray.
When it matters: Shadows.
Good value: Between 2.1 and 2.3 (our target is 2.2)
Noticeable difference: 0.1
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2.22

After the calibration, the white balance is a lot better. The 10 pt controls are not very precise, and it doesn't have a color tuner.

8.0 480p Input
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What it is: Quality of a 480p input.
When it matters: Standard definition TV, DVDs.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C 480p Picture

The TV has no problem upscaling lower-quality content like DVDs. For lower resolutions (DVDs, 480p and low-quality streams), enable 'Digital noise reduction' to get rid of some of the compression artifacts you'll see onscreen.

8.0 720p Input
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What it is: Quality of a 720p input.
When it matters: HD channels, some streaming videos.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C 720p Picture

Cable TV also looks good once upscaled. You can also enable 'Digital noise reduction' to get rid of some of the compression artifacts if you notice some.

9.0 1080p Input
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What it is: Quality of a 1080p input.
When it matters: Blu-rays, streaming video, video files, video games.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C 1080p Picture

1080p looks as good as it can on a 4k UHD TV.

10 4k Input
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What it is: Quality of a 4k UHD input.
When it matters: Streaming video, UHD Blu-rays, some PCs.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C 4k Picture

4k content looks great on the Sony X930C.

8.0 Color Gamut
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What it is: How many colors the TV can display.
When it matters: HDR content. Includes some streaming videos and UHD Blu-rays.
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Wide Color Gamut
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What it is: Whether the TV has an option to enable wide color gamuts.
When it matters: HDR content. Includes some streaming videos and UHD Blu-rays.
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Yes
Sony X930C Color Gamut DCI-P3 Picture
DCI P3 xy
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What it is: Coverage of the DCI P3 colorspace on CIE 1931 xy.
When it matters: DCI P3 content. Includes HDR, UHD Blu-rays.
Good value: > 90%
Noticeable difference: 5%
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89.13 %
DCI P3 uv
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What it is: Coverage of the DCI P3 colorspace on CIE 1976 u' v'.
When it matters: DCI P3 content. Includes HDR, UHD Blu-rays.
Good value: > 90%
Noticeable difference: 5%
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95.26 %
Rec 2020 xy
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What it is: Coverage of the Rec.2020 colorspace on CIE 1931 xy.
When it matters: Rec.2020 content. Includes HDR, UHD Blu-rays.
Good value: > 90%
Noticeable difference: 5%
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65.09 %
Rec 2020 uv
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What it is: Coverage of the Rec.2020 colorspace on CIE 1976 u' v'.
When it matters: Rec.2020 content. Includes HDR, UHD Blu-rays.
Good value: > 90%
Noticeable difference: 5%
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71.99 %

The color gamut covers about 10% more of Rec.2020 than a normal TV when setting it to 'BT.2020'. It covers about 3% less than the JS9500.

9.0 Reflections
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What it is: How much light is reflected by the TV.
When it matters: Bright rooms.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C Reflections Picture Sony X930C Bright Room Picture
Reflection
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What it is: Ratio of ambient light reflected by the TV.
When it matters: Ambient light in the room.
Good value: < 1%
Noticeable difference: 0.5%
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0.7 %
Screen Finish
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What it is: Type of coating on the screen.
When it matters: Bright objects in the direct reflection path (for example, opposite the TV).
Good value: Glossy is good for ambient light, but not for direct reflections.
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Glossy

The glossy finish is excellent at reducing the amount of reflected light, which improves the apparent contrast ratio in a bright room. There is some rainbow glare around bright objects, though.
It currently holds our record for the maximum full screen luminosity (not peak). It can get very bright, which is great if you have a lot of windows. Keep in mind that it has a glossy finish, though, so you will want to avoid having a bright light opposite the screen.

9.0 3D
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What it is: Optional 3D video capability on TV.
When it matters: 3D movies and videos.
Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C 3D Picture
3D
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What it is: If it can display a picture in 3D.
When it matters: 3D movies & videos.
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Yes
3D Type
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What it is: The 3D technology used by the TV.
When it matters: 3D movies & videos.
Good value: Active have better resolution, but flickers. Passive is more comfortable, but loses half the vertical resolution.
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Active

The 3D is good, without much crosstalk.

Pixels
8.7

Motion

This is a decent, but not great, TV for sports. There's little blur, which is great for the fast movement.

There's not much of the patchiness that you can sometimes notice with panning shots during a game, but the panel still has a good deal of variance overall. Some spots are much darker than others.

8.2 Motion Blur
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What it is: Amount of blur on fast movement.
When it matters: Sports, video games.
Score components:
Sony X930C Motion Blur Picture Sony X930C Response Time Chart
Response Time
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What it is: How quickly pixels can change color.
When it matters: Fast movement.
Good value: < 20ms
Noticeable difference: 10ms
:
15.9 ms
Overshoot
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What it is: When TV’s pixels adjust too far; how quickly they come back.
When it matters: Fast movement.
Good value: < 10ms
Noticeable difference: 10ms
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0 ms

On average, the response time for the pixel transition is 15.9ms, which is quite good. Sony TVs also have the best features for controlling exactly how you want the motion to look. See the Q&A for more details and pictures.

9.5 Image Flicker
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What it is: Luminosity pattern when displaying images
When it matters: Sports, video games, when TV is used as a PC monitor
Score components:
Sony X930C Backlight Picture
PWM Dimming Frequency
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What it is: Flickering pattern at different luminosities.
When it matters: For people sensitive to flickering.
Good value: N/A or high frequencies (> 300 Hz)
:
720 Hz
BFI
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What it is: Option to turn screen black between frames
When it matters: Reduces eye tracking blur in sports or video games
Good value: Yes
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Yes
BFI Frequency
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What it is: Lowest possible frequency of flickering pattern
When it matters: Reduces eye tracking blur in sports or video games
Good value: 60 Hz
:
60 Hz
BFI In Game Mode
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What it is: Option to insert black frames when in the best settings for gaming
When it matters: Reducing eye tracking blur for video games
Good value: Yes
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Yes

10 24p Playback
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What it is: Whether 24p content can play without any judder.
When it matters: Only 24p content (mostly just movies).
Judder-free 24p
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What it is: Judder-free movies over 24p signal.
When it matters: Blu-ray and DVD movies; 24 hz PC signal.
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Yes
Judder-free 24p via 60p
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What it is: Judder-free movies over 60p signal.
When it matters: Movies from streaming devices (Apple TV, Fire TV, etc.); 60 hz PC signal.
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Yes
Judder-free 24p via 60i
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What it is: Judder-free movies over 60i signal.
When it matters: Movies from cable/satellite boxes.
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Yes

10 Motion Interpolation
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What it is: Also known as 'Soap Opera Effect'. It is an optional feature that increases the frame rate of the video, smoothing movement.
When it matters: If you like the look of smoothed video. Not everyone does.
Motion Interpolation (30 fps)
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What it is: Whether the TV can take a 30 fps input and heighten the frame rate to at least 60 fps.
When it matters: 30 fps or lower videos. Includes movies, TV shows, some video games.
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Yes
Sony X930C Motion Interpolation (30 fps) Picture
Motion Interpolation (60 fps)
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What it is: Whether the TV can take a 60 fps input and heighten the frame rate to at least 100 fps.
When it matters: 60 fps videos. Includes some video games, some sports channels.
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Yes
Sony X930C Motion Interpolation (60 fps) Picture

7.5

Inputs

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This TV is pretty good for gaming. There's not too much delay between entering a command and seeing the reaction onscreen, so most people will have no issues with gaming on this TV.

That, combined with the minimal amount of motion blur, makes this a solid performer for all kinds of games.

7.1 Input Lag
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What it is: Delay between input and onscreen reaction.
When it matters: Video games; when TV is used as PC monitor.
1080p @ 60Hz
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV with a 1080p @ 60Hz input.
When it matters: Video games and also when TV is used as PC monitor.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15ms
:
36.2 ms
1080p With Interpolation
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What it is: Lowest input lag when the motion interpolation feature is turned on.
When it matters: When you want to play video games with the Soap Opera Effect enabled.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15ms
:
67.0 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode
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What it is: Input lag in picture modes other than the specific game mode.
When it matters: For playing video games while retaining access to all features of the TV.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15ms
:
71.7 ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV when displaying 1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
When it matters: PC monitor.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15 ms
:
36.2 ms
4k @ 60Hz
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV when displaying 4k @ 60Hz.
When it matters: Video games and also when TV is used as PC monitor.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15 ms
:
59.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV when displaying 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4.
When it matters: PC Monitor
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15 ms
:
59.1 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV when displaying 4k @ 60Hz with HDR.
When it matters: HDR Video games.
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15 ms
:
58.8 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + 8 bit HDR
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What it is: Lowest input lag possible on TV when displaying 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 with HDR enabled at 8 bit
When it matters: PC Monitor with an HDR capable graphic card
Good value: < 40ms
Noticeable difference: 15 ms
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58.8 ms

Under game mode, the input lag is average. It is definitely playable, and most people won't notice it. With interpolation enabled, the input lag is surprisingly low, enough to be worth trying it out on slower games.

Input lag with a 4k (with and without HDR) resolution is a bit high and not very good for gaming unfortunately.

Update 11/02/2016: Input lag results with the latest firmware update PKG3.531.0108NAB.

10 Supported Resolutions
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What it is: Different resolutions supported by TV.
When it matters: PC monitor usage.
Score components:
  • 20% 1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
  • 20% 1080p @ 120Hz
  • 20% 4k @ 30Hz @ 4:4:4
  • 20% 4k @ 60Hz
  • 20% 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
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What it is: Crisp text on 1060p @ 60 hz signal.
When it matters: PC productivity and 60 fps gaming.
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Yes
1080p @ 120Hz
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What it is: 120 fps 1080p signal supported.
When it matters: PC gaming.
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Yes
4k @ 30Hz @ 4:4:4
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What it is: Crisp text on 4k @ 30 hz signal.
When it matters: PC productivity and gaming.
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Yes
4k @ 60Hz
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What it is: 60 fps 4k signal supported.
When it matters: PC productivity and gaming.
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Yes
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4
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What it is: Crisp text on 4k @ 60 hz signal.
When it matters: Productivity and 60 fps gaming in 4k.
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Yes

As with other Sony TVs, little artifacts (flashing lines) are seen when a 1080p @ 120Hz signal is being displayed.
Update: With the new firmware update PKG2.463.0010NAB, This TV now supports 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4. To enable this, go to Settings - External Inputs - HDMI Signal Format - Enhanced (new).

Side Inputs
Rear Inputs
Total Inputs
HDMI : 4
USB : 2
Digital Optical Audio Out : 1
Analog Audio Out 3.5mm : 1
Analog Audio Out RCA : 0
Component In : 1 (shared)
Composite In : 2 (shared)
Tuner (Cable/Ant) : 1
Ethernet : 1
DisplayPort : 0
IR In : 1
SD/SDHC : 0

Inputs Specifications
HDR10
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What it is: Standard HDR format.
When it matters: Most common format. All UHD Blu-ray discs are required to have it.
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Yes
Dolby Vision
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What it is: Better format, due to its dynamic nature.
When it matters: Currently, only available via streaming.
:
No
5.1 Passthrough ARC Dolby Digital
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What it is: TV can receive and pass Dolby Digital 5.1 signal to receiver via HDMI ARC.
When it matters: 5.1 audio on DVDs and Blu-rays.
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Yes
5.1 Passthrough ARC DTS
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What it is: TV can receive and pass DTS 5.1 signal to receiver via HDMI ARC.
When it matters: 5.1 audio on DVDs and Blu-rays.
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Yes
5.1 Passthrough Optical Dolby Digital
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What it is: TV can receive and pass Dolby Digital signal to receiver via digital optical.
When it matters: 5.1 audio on DVDs and Blu-rays.
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Yes
5.1 Passthrough Optical DTS
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What it is: TV can receive and pass DTS signal to receiver via digital optical.
When it matters: 5.1 audio on DVDs and Blu-rays.
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Yes
HDMI 2.0 Full Bandwith : Yes
ARC : Yes (HDMI 4)
USB 3 : No
HDCP 2.2 : Yes
CEC : Yes
MHL : Yes (HDMI 2)
Variable Analog Audio Out : Yes

8.1

Sound Quality

This TV has the best sound of any set we've tested this year, and by a wide margin. The bass is good, and the TV can get to a very loud overall volume.

There's also not much distortion at regular volumes. There's a lot more distortion at very loud volumes, but most people won't approach those levels anyway.

Note: Sound Quality test for TVs reviewed before 2017 was performed at 75dB, 85dB, and Max SPL. Starting 2017, the target SPL levels have been changed to 70dB, 80dB, and Max dB SPL.

8.8 Frequency Response
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What it is: Sound level at different frequencies.
When it matters: For balanced sound.
Score components:
Sony X930C Frequency Response Picture
Std. Dev. @ 70
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What it is: Variance of the sound level at different frequencies.
When it matters: 70 dB.
Good value: < 4 dB
Noticeable difference: 2 dB
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3.13 dB SPL
Std. Dev. @ 80
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What it is: Variance of the sound level at different frequencies.
When it matters: 80 dB.
Good value: < 4 dB
Noticeable difference: 2 dB
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3.28 dB SPL
Std. Dev. @ Max
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What it is: Variance of the sound level at different frequencies.
When it matters: Max volume.
Good value: < 4 dB
Noticeable difference: 2 dB
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3.77 dB SPL
Max
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What it is: Max volume on the TV at a distance of 1 meter.
When it matters: For listening to loud audio.
Good value: > 90 dB
Noticeable difference: 2 dB
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98.5 dB SPL
Low-end Cutoff
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What it is: How low of a frequency at which the bass starts.
When it matters: Movies; gaming.
Good value: < 50Hz
Noticeable difference: 10Hz
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53 Hz

The bass extension and the loudness are excellent. The frequency response is also good and remains relatively constant even under load. This is the best sounding TV we have tested.

6.8 Total Harmonic Distortion
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What it is: Pureness of a single frequency.
Score components:
Sony X930C Total Harmonic Distortion Picture
Distortion @ 70
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What it is: Amount of distortion.
When it matters: 70 dB.
Good value: < 0.100
Noticeable difference: 0.100
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0.003
Distortion @ 80
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What it is: Amount of distortion.
When it matters: 80 dB.
Good value: < 0.100
Noticeable difference: 0.100
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0.003
Distortion @ Max
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What it is: Amount of distortion.
When it matters: 85 dB.
Good value: < 0.100
Noticeable difference: 0.100
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0.662

The TV produces minimal distortion at comfortable listening levels. However when pushed to its limits, which is not that easy to do, there is a dramatic jump in the amount of distortion.

8.0

Smart Features

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Score components: Subjectively assigned
Sony X930C Smart TV Picture
Smart OS : Android

Android TV has become a good smart platform, with decent app selection and nice extra features, like integrated Google Cast.

We're not fans of the included Sony remotes, though, and while using your smartphone with the TV SideSync app makes a decent replacement, the experience still isn't up to the level of LG or Samsung. The touch remote is particularly unpleasant to use.

10 Ads
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What it is: Whether or not ads can be found on the TV's smart platform.
When it matters: When using the smart features.
Score components:
Ad-free
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What it is: The TV's ability to provide an ad-free experience.
When it matters: When using the smart features.
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Yes
Opt-out
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What it is: Whether you can opt out of the ad services or not. A TV only passes this test if it allows you to remove them completely, not only disable the personalized advertising.
When it matters: When using the smart features.
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N/A

Remote
Sony X930C Remote Picture
Remote : Smart

Major Apps Available

  • Netflix
  • YouTube
  • Hulu Plus
  • CinemaNow
  • Crackle
  • Pandora

    See our full review of Sony's smart features.

  • Misc
    Power Consumption : 94 W
    Power Consumption (Max) : 248 W
    Firmware : PKG2.237.0010NAB

    Conclusion
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    The Sony XBR65X930C is great overall. It has great native contrast, can get very bright, and has excellent black uniformity. The viewing angle and gray uniformity could be better, though.

    Usage Ratings
    8.0Mixed Usage
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    What it is General purpose. The TV will be used for a variety of content and usages. Movies at night, TV shows during the day, video games from time to time, etc.
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    8.2Movies
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    What it is Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
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    7.7TV Shows
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    What it is TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
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    7.6Sports
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    What it is Sports in a living room. The TV will be used to watch sports during the day, like football or hockey. Usually watched with a group, so from multiple viewing position.
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    8.4Video Games
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    What it is Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
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    8.2HDR Movies
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    What it is HDR Movies and TV shows. The TV will be used to watch 4k UHD HDR content, with a wide color gamut and a high peak brightness. Either via UHD Blu-rays or HDR streaming.
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    7.8HDR Gaming
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    What it is HDR Gaming. The TV will be used to play HDR video games using consoles that support it or on current generation gaming PCs. Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, GTX 10 series and AMD RX series graphics cards.
    7.7PC Monitor
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    What it is PC Monitor. The TV will be used as a PC monitor, from 2-3 feet away, either for productivity purposes or gaming. Sharp text is important, as well as a high resolution.
    Score components:
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    Additional Review Notes

    Motionflow

    As with most Sony TVs, you can control exactly how you want the motion to look on the Sony XBR65X930C. Besides the usual motion interpolation feature that can be found on TVs from most brands, you can control the impact of the backlight on motion via the 'Clearness' slider under 'Motionflow'. Here are the different values and their corresponding backlight on the X930C.

    Normal

    Sony X930C Clearness 0

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 0 Backlight

    Clearness 1

    Sony X930C Clearness 1

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 1 Backlight

    Clearness 2

    Sony X930C Clearness 2

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 2 Backlight

    Clearness 3

    Sony X930C Clearness 3

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 3 Backlight

    Clearness 4

    Sony X930C Clearness 4

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 4 Backlight

    Clearness 5

    Sony X930C Clearness 5

    Backlight

    Sony X930C Clearness 5 Backlight

    The biggest difference is from 4 to 5, where the frequency of the backlight change from 120Hz to 60Hz, clearing up the picture a lot, but introducing visible flickering. Here are the values of the max luminosity of the screen:

    ClearnessBacklight MinBacklight Max
    0118.1 cd/m2418.7 cd/m2
    153.78 cd/m2198.4 cd/m2
    236.69 cd/m2134.8 cd/m2
    329.00 cd/m250.87 cd/m2
    419.37 cd/m236.79 cd/m2
    519.60 cd/m234.01 cd/m2

    As you can see, the max luminosity when using the clearness feature is in the same ballpark as on the X850C.

    Local dimming

    The Sony X930C has two features that control how the dimming reacts to the picture: 'Auto local dimming' and 'X-tented Dynamic Range'. Here are our local dimming video tests for a few combinations.

    'Auto local dimming' Off
    'X-tented Dynamic Range' Off

    'Auto local dimming' Low
    'X-tented Dynamic Range' Off

    'Auto local dimming' Med
    'X-tented Dynamic Range' Off

    'Auto local dimming' High
    'X-tented Dynamic Range' Off

    'Auto local dimming' High
    'X-tented Dynamic Range' High

    Almost all of them dim the dot, except 'Auto local dimming' on High with 'X-tented Dynamic Range' on High.

    HDR

    Displaying a moving white dot on a 50% gray background is more interesting than on the Samsung JS9500, which did nothing. On the Sony XBR-65X930C, you can see that the TV tries harder to brighten the white dot. This creates a kind of bright blooming around it, though.

    Sony X930C vs Samsung JS9500

    The Sony X930C and Samsung JS9500 are very similar. They both are great TVs, so do not overthink the comparison. Here are the main notable differences between the two.

    • The JS9500 has better local dimming
    • The X930C has better native contrast
    • The X930C can get brighter overall (418 cd/m2 vs 381 cd/m2). For peak luminosity, the JS9500 is better (727 cd/m2 vs 658 cd/m2)
    • The JS9500 has a slightly wider color gamut (2%)
    • The black uniformity is better on the X930C
    • The JS9500 is curved
    • The JS9500's input lag is 14 ms lower
    • The X930C supports 1080p @ 120fps
    • Better motion control on the X930C

    But really, both are excellent choices. Also, don't forget that you can use our tool present on the second tab of our reviews to compare any TVs.

    23
    In a X930C comparison to the JS8500 the X930C beats the JS in 5 areas and the JS beats the X930C in 3 areas. How is the X930C rated lower then the JS8500? I maybe don't understand the scoring system.
    It is a weighted average. Here (in the Q&A) are the current weights. You shouldn't really look at the overall score though. Instead, look at the tests that you care about for your own needs and preferences.
    13
    Will you be reviewing a Sony x900c when they are available?
    Yes. Not right away, but shortly after they've been released.
    10
    Thanks for your response rtings. After I left my question I found the review on the 930c. I guess my question now is, for the money, is the 930C worth it, or should I look for something else?
    I don't want to spend another $1,000 on the JS9500. Will the picture of the X930C wow me for a good while? I love how the review noted how good contrast levels are, as well as the uniformity of the blacks. That gives me reassurance, and the motion handling for 1080P gaming is a plus, as I will be using the 930C for that, as well as movies.
    Should the grey uniformity be something I should worry about, or does the overall picture of the X930C make it worth the price, including upscaling? I just want to be sure that this is the right purchase, as I've been researching many TVs and comparing every model within my maximum price range. So far, the X930C seems to be the best bang for the buck. Should I worry that it is not full array?
    Don't worry about the grey uniformity too much. It's in line with most of the other TVs we've reviewed this year, and it's the kind of thing you tend to only really notice when you go looking for it (unless you're very sensitive).
    Overall, the X930C is a great buy. The edge-lighting isn't anything to be worried about, so don't hesitate to get this TV if it's the one you want.
    9
    The Sony 930c with the recent update now has 4k@60hz @4:4:4 and should change its score.
    Yes, we updated the review with the latest change in firmware PKG2.463.0010NAB.
    8
    Great review, as always. Hope you get to review the Sharp lc-80uh30u, even if just the 70" model, as that's been claimed to be the only THX certified 4k TV this year, and there are rumors it may support Basic HDR with a Firmware through meta-data. The 70" inch model is on sale, but I'm more interested in the 80" incher. Both models should be similar though and I will making a decision on which 80" inch model to purchase based on your review.
    We ordered the 70" today. The review will probably be published around the end of the month, as we have a few other TVs scheduled before that one.
    7
    Currently stuck between the 65" X930C and the 65" X850C. The X930c is about $1,500 higher than the X850c, but possesses better motion control, X-tended dynamic range, Hi-Res Sound, and a possible HDR feature via the future update. I will use the TV to watch sports, play PS4, and watch movies. I'm not sure these extra features on the X930C are worth the additional $1,500, and I would like to have some advice. Thank you
    If you have the money and aren't too concerned about spending the extra, then yes, it's worth the upgrade to the X930C. It's a great TV overall, and will work well for everything you're looking to do with it.
    If paying the increase is really going to hurt, stick with the X850C. It's a very good TV, and you'll get by fine without the X930C's extras.
    5
    First of all, thank you for great and indepth reviews. I was wondering if you can review Sony X940c as its more of a direct competitor to Samsung JS9500. Also I have been reading several conflicting reviews on the newest LG OLED 4k tvs and would love to see your take on it. Thank you!
    We might not get to review the X940C. It is really expensive, and given that we buy all our TVs, it doesn't fit into our current budget. LG OLEDs are more probable, but not in the next month or two.
    3
    Awesome. Thanks again to the RTINGS staff for your time and commitment to respond. Looks like the X930C continues to be the front-runner in quality for its price. It's the one I want, mainly because I trust Sony's experience and years of R&D, and I've heard the upscaling is one of the best out there. That, along with reviews on Best Buy where people have returned the Samsung for the 930C because of issues in clouding and motion blur.
    It seems true, as your review stated better contrast, blacks, and 1080p @ 120HZ on the X930C. You would think a $5,000 Samsung TV would handle that no problem, especially with an octa-core. All in all, thanks again for your responses.
    Happy to help. We think both are great TVs for the majority of people, but they are both slightly stronger in different ways. People with specific interests should consider those differences before buying.
    3
    Does this TV support HDCP 2.2? I have the 65" and when I dig deeper into the specs HDCP 2.2 isn't listed. For the 75" model, it is listed. Is this some type of typo, or does the 65" not have this feature?
    Yes, it does support HDCP 2.2.
    2
    Thanks for the review. Sony seems to have the features and performance I prefer, would really love a review of the 940c but it's understood on cost. I'd love, love a review on the LG OLED 9600 asap, TV purchase this month after all.
    Of note, if you remove the sometimes needless extra features score and round, the JS8500 and 930c hit 8.6, while the JS9500 is 8.5. Just some fun numbers.

    For sure, we don't have the budget or time for the EG9600 this month unfortunately. If we do it, it's going to be in about 2 months.

    Just to clarify our scoring, we don't include the 'Extra Features' score in our overall score, and the weighting is different for each category. We posted the weights used in the overall score in the Q&A section of the review of X850C (direct link to the answer).


    Update: The review of the LG EG9600 is up.
    2
    As I compare your reviews, the X930C still sells me more than the JS9500. Although the JS9500 has better colors by 2% and 4K at 60hz 4:4:4, its black levels and contrast are rated lower than the X930C. Correct me if I'm wrong, but better blacks and contrast make a big difference in picture quality.
    As I browse in Best Buy, the colors of the Sony look more natural to me. So, a 2% difference isn't a gap worth worrying about. Also, the X930C displays 1080p at 120HZ, which makes a difference for me, because there is not a lot of true 4K content out right now and I will use my new TV for gaming at 1080p (PlayStation 4).
    I do plan on PC gaming, but that's later down the road, when I have the time to build a PC. Also, I doubt the JS9500 will give me the sound from the TV alone that the X930C will give me for $1000 less.
    The one thing I get jealous about the JS9500 is the FALD, but as you said the EDGE LIT LED shouldn't be a worry, I don't understand how a FALD has worse blacks and contrast than the X930C.
    This TV purchase is a big deal for me at the moment, because I haven't purchased a new TV since 2010-11, as I currently have a 40" Bravia 2010 model, so I don't want to have to buy a new set after this purchase for at least another three years.
    So, correct me if I'm wrong, but the X930C, with better blacks and contrast, plus better sound, seems like the better buy - especially with Sony's experience in upscaling and picture engines. If there is a reason you can give me to buy the JS9500 instead, let me know. My purchase will be in three weeks, a Bday gift to myself.
    Also I like how the X930C set the RTINGS record for screen white luminance. Whites mean just as much as blacks to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that equals overall better picture as well?

    Your understanding is correct. For your usage, the X930C is a better buy.

    As for why the FALD of the JS9500 has worse blacks, it actually depends on the picture displayed. In our checkboard pattern used for measurements, both the local dimming of the X930C and JS9500 didn't do anything, so it became a matter of which panel had the best native contrast ratio (the X930C). But in some cases, the FALD of the JS9500 is indeed superior to the X930C.

    2
    I like the X930C but do not want the speakers on the front. Is the 75" Sony X910C the same TV as the X930C but without the speakers? I am wondering whether the X850C is a better choice for watching movies, local TV programming and photographs from Apple TV?
    The x910c is more like the x900c (not the x930c) but at a 75" size and with active 3D instead of passive. The x850c would be a good choice. It does have better contrast and a better picture quality for the contents you will be watching.
    2
    Which TV would be a better buy right now, the SONY X950B or X930C?
    Unfortunately, we didn't review the x950b so we can't compare them properly. The main difference is that the x950b has full array backlight while the x930c is edge-lit. The x950b is probably not worth the big price difference.
    2
    How do I make 1080i content look clear on this set? I currently have FiOS and the 1080i signal doesn't look as crisp as it does on my older 1080 set.
    Could I be having an issue with upscaling? It doesn't look blurry, but it definitely doesn't look crisp. With Netflix/Amazon, it looks amazing in 1080p.
    If anyone with FiOS (and my set-top box is the TiVo Bolt) knows how to fix this in settings, please let me know. Thanks!
    1080 content (both interlaced and progressive) will look less crisp on a 4k TV than it will on a 1080p TV. It's unfortunately unavoidable, though it's worth noting that the X930C has great upscaling, so a different 4k TV wouldn't be a better choice.
    If you really hate it, you could try increasing the sharpness a little bit. The image will be crisper, though a bit less accurate.
    2
    I'm considering the 75" 940c, do you know if the local dimming on the 940 is comparable to the Samsung 9500 at all? I've been going back and forth between the 78" 9500 and the 75" 940c for the longest time, and with the recent price drop on the 940c, it's hard to justify spending $3k more for 3", especially as both have FALD and HDR.
    The JS9500 has more dimming zones, so the blooming is smaller, but in practice it shouldn't make a big difference. Go for the X940C.
    2
    I am searching for a new TV to use with a gaming PC, and eventually 4k Blu-Ray movies. The x930c has caught my eye with its combination of HDR, decent price, and now, thanks to the firmware update, 4k at 60hz with 4:4:4 chroma. I also plan to make use of its 1080p at 120 hz capability. Will this TV maintain 4:4:4 chroma while running at 1080p/120 hz?
    Yes, it will. Just be sure to use either 'Game' or 'Graphics' for the picture mode.
    2
    Thanks for a great website, guys! Since you don't intend to review the Sony x910C, I thought I'd provide some settings, which will produce an awesome picture, except for the cloudy screen issue, so prevalent with most of the Sony's (we started with the 850C, & returned two of them for cloudy screen/light bleed issues before switching to the 910C, which isn't much better for that issue). Aside from that, it does have an awesome picture. The calibration settings I'm using, are as follows:

    Cinema Pro
    Brightness = 10
    Contrast = 90
    Gamma = -1
    Black Level = 50
    Black Adjust = Low
    Adv. Contrast Enhancer = Low
    Sharpness = 50
    Reality Creation = Manual
    Random Noise Reduction = Low
    Digital Noise Reduction = Low
    Motion Flow = Tru Cinema
    Smoothness = Min
    Clearness = Min
    Film Mode = Med
    Color Space = BT.2020
    Color = 36
    Live Color = Off
    Adv. Color Temp:
    R-Gain -17
    G-Gain -9
    B-Gain -1
    R-Bias -2
    G-Bias -1
    B-Bias 0
    Color Gamma Adj. Points #1:
    R-Offset -1
    G-Offset -1
    B-Offset -1
    C.A.P's. #2:
    R -2
    G 0
    B 0
    C.A.P's #3:
    R -1
    G 4
    B 2
    C.A.P.'s #4:
    R 1
    G 2
    B 1
    C.A.P.'s #5:
    R 2
    G 2
    B 2
    C.A.P.'s #6:
    R 0
    G 1
    B 1
    C.A.P's #7:
    R 1
    G 1
    B 1
    C.A.P.'s #8:
    R 0
    G 0
    B 1
    C.A.P's #9:
    R 0
    G 1
    B 1
    C.A.P.'s #10:
    R 0
    G 1
    B 1

    Notice, I'm using the BT.2020 Color Space, and had to turn down the saturation, as noted. Some of these settings are hold-overs, from your calibration settings, for the 850C, some not. They may, or may not be correct. However, since I was unable to find any settings, for the 910C online, I started experimenting, and came up with these. At least, it's a good start!

    Thank you very much for sharing your settings! Owners of the x910c will definitely appreciate it.
    1
    Hi, I would like to use the 4K TV as my PC monitor for photo and video editing, will it work? Any concern I should have? Thanks.
    Yes it will work. Use the 'Graphics' picture mode. Note that if you want the best quality, make sure your computer has an HDMI 2.0 port (so it can output at 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4).
    1
    Hi, I was looking at the responses above and one really made me blink twice. The 4k tv's do not look as crisp as a 1080P with 1080i/1080P content? And this is unavoidable? Makes me think we, the consumer, is being duped again. Four years ago I returned 3 different tv's in 4 weeks because of various issues. Flashlighting and the bleed among other things. Finally ended up with the Sony xbr46hx929 which I still am happy with. I know the 4k have upscaling but now I'm concerned I won't be happy with the 4k if the picture isn't as good. I looked at the JS8500 but in two different stores the infamous bleed was on the left side of the screen. I don't mind spending $3000 to $4000 for a good 65" tv. I heard the 930 also had bleed but had been fixed. I could use a little guidance. Thank you in advance.
    Light bleed can be an issue with all TVs and is not something (at least for now) that can be fix. Unfortunately, only way to know about the panel quality is to take the TV out of the box and look at it in person. Higher end models generally use greater quality panels with less chances of having problems. But there is still no guarantee. Our x930c didn't had any bleeding issue but if you buy one and find some problems, returning the product is the thing to do. Hopefully in the future, there will have less variance in the panel quality. For 1080p on a 4k TV, it isn't much of an issue really. You have more pixels on a 4k TV to represent 1 pixel of a 1080p source so the result of upscaling sometime gives a softer, but not necessarily worst, picture. Some people actually prefer it that way, so it depends. Both the Samsung JS8500 and Sony x930c are great with 1080p content so don't worry about this.
    1
    Are you able to measure input lag on this again with the most recent firmware update. Most reviews for the X930C/X940C measured in the 36-38ms range with local dimming but were done in June/July. I found a review done later in the year that measured 20ms with local dimming on a X940C. I'm curious to see if Sony improved lag with a firmware update after most tests were done or if that later test was an anomaly.
    We just updated the firmware on the x930c and measured the same input lag as when we reviewed the TV (around 38 ms).
    0
    Is there any way to tell if the 930C is a true 10 bit panel? I hear conflicting reports. The interwebs seem to have settled that Samsung 85/90/95 series is.
    There is very few 10 bit content, so it is hard to test. We tried connecting it to a Nvidia Quadro card, and displaying a 10 bit gradiant in Photoshop (one of the few programs that supports 10 bit, because Windows is 8 bit), but it did show banding (so it acted just like a traditional 8 bit display). The JS9500 also failed that test. I wouldn't take these results as final though. Let's wait till real 10 bit content is available (UHD Blu-rays) and then we will see.
    0
    How does the older Sony X950B compare?
    We didn't review that model, so we can't say how well they match up.
    0
    I am trading in a Panasonic 65VT60 plasma television under warranty that has developed some permanent image retention. I am seriously considering the X930C as a suitable replacement as OLED is still too expensive. As black level for the money is my main concern, is this the best choice in the LCD world for me, in your opinion?
    Yes it is a good choice. It has a great native contrast ratio for an LCD TV. Of course, it won't match your VT60 or an OLED in a few areas. But it is still a great TV.
    0
    Is Sony X930c a good TV for watching sports? I see the rating is 7.4 for watching sports on this TV. How does it compare to the Samsung JS8500 in this category?
    It's a bit worse overall, but it's by no means bad. It has a bit more blur on fast movement, but not enough that it should be a problem for sports. Likewise, there are more dark patches on the screen, but again, it shouldn't be a problem. Sports will still look pretty good on the X930C.
    0
    Thanks for great reviews! I'm curious what is the vertical distance from the top edge of X930C to the top two VESA mounting holes. I can't seem to find X930C on display at local stores to measure it and neither Sony's user manual nor weeks of Googling have helped me. I'm trying to figure out if my existing wall mount will work to locate the TV at a desired height. Thanks so much!
    The top screws are located at a distance of 16" from the top of the TV.
    We are not taking any more questions for this product because we no longer have it in our lab.