What it is
Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
What it is
TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
What it is
Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
What it is
HDR Gaming. The TV will be used to play HDR video games using consoles that support it or on current generation gaming PCs. Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, GTX 10 series and AMD RX series graphics cards.
What it is:
Configuration of the lights of the backlight.
When it matters:
Effectiveness of the local dimming.
Full-array/direct lighting is better for local dimming. As for the uniformity of the screen, it depends on the implementation. Some edge-lit TVs have more uniform blacks than some full-array TVs.
The LEDs are on both sides of the TV, which in conjunction to turning on 'Smart LED', creates horizontal blooming. The zones are quite big, but at least it is useful to darken the letterbox in movies (feature called 'Cinema Black').
What it is:
The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 2% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
When it matters:
Bright highlights, present on screen for a short time; especially for SDR content.
What it is:
The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 50% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
The JS8500 has the least dirty screen effect of any LED TV we've reviewed this year. We measured it at 0.147%. Of course, there are still some darker areas (it has a standard deviation of 2.454%), but it is one step above every TV we reviewed in 2015.
This is thanks to Samsung's good implementation of an edge-lighting backlight. Last year's H7150 had a similar backlight, and uniformity, too.
It is excellent at keeping the ambient reflections under control. Keep in mind that it has a glossy finish though, so direct reflections are a bit worse, with a little bit of glare around them. It can get very bright, which is great with a room full of windows. However, due to its glossy finish, it isn't ideal for situations where the window is directly facing the TV.
There is no judder in movies when using a 24p source (like a Blu-ray player). Sometimes it can do the reverse 3:2 pulldown, but not always, so you might notice a little bit of judder in movies when watching over a 60p or 60i source (like on cable). You can get rid of it when using 'Auto Motion Plus', but this adds the soap opera effect, which not everyone likes.
This is a good, but not great, gaming TV. While it does really well with fast-moving objects, there's are a few more milliseconds delay between when you perform an action and when that action appears onscreen than we'd like.
The other Samsung 4k TVs are better for this, so we'd recommend a different model if you want a Samsung screen for gaming and really want as big of an edge as you can find.
The bass extension is good for a TV and so is the frequency response at lower volumes. But at higher volumes the frequency response suffers due to the compression and pumping artifacts. It does however get relatively loud.
Overall, Samsung's Tizen OS is a good smart TV interface, and the voice and motion control on the remote make browsing the web (and your app collection) a breeze.
It would be nice if the remote had a keypad on it, just so that manually changing channels could be a bit quicker. The guide function works well, though, so a quick setup of that feature will have OTA watchers all set.
Thanks to its good gray uniformity, the Samsung JS8500 SUHD TV has the second best overall picture quality that we tested in 2015 for an LED. It doesn't have a local dimming as effective as the pricier JS9500, but it has a better uniformity. If this TV is in your price range, look no further. This is the TV to buy.
What it is
Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
What it is
TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
What it is
Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
What it is
HDR Gaming. The TV will be used to play HDR video games using consoles that support it or on current generation gaming PCs. Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, GTX 10 series and AMD RX series graphics cards.
Planning on getting this TV very soon. I have a couple questions I would like to see if you can answer, but before I start, you guys do an amazing job. I will never buy a TV without seeing a review from you guys.
1.Are all the HDMI ports 2.0 and HDCP 2.2?
2. I know the JS9500 has 1000 nits brightness. What does the JS8500 have? Also, does the JS8500 come with the full HDR?
3.Can it stream Netflix in 4k, and when netflix comes out with 4k HDR, will the JS8500 be able to do it?
4.When enabling game mode, does the picture quality get worse?
5. Does the JS9500 have better picture and color quality, or the same as the JS8500?
6. Is the quad core fast enough?
7. I don't know if you will have the answer, but I am planning on adding my 5.1 Vizio sound bar. Do you have to use an HDMI? I heard that if I use an optical audio cable, the Samsung TV will dumb down my audio, and then I won't have the full 5.1.
8. How are the blacks? Are they nice and deep?
9. How many 3D glasses does it come with?
Thanks for all your help. Much appreciated.
1) Yes, they are.
2) We measured the maximum luminance of the JS8500 at 365 nits for a full screen, and 526.9 nits for a small window when HDR is enabled.. By comparison, we measured the maximum luminance of the JS9500 at 320.6 nits, and 726.7 nits for a small window with HDR enabled.
3) It can stream Netflix 4k, and it's likely that it will work with Netflix's HDR video, whenever that is released. It's worth noting that since there is no standard for HDR yet, we can't say whether it will meet official HDR requirements when they are announced.
4) It doesn't get worse, but some processing features are disabled, so it will look different. This creates a look that is closer to what is intended by the source, but some people prefer having some of the TV's image processing on.
5) They're very similar, but the JS8500 has better gray uniformity, and covered about 1% more of Rec 2020 in our test (which is a negligible difference).
6) The TV's menus work quickly enough.
7) Update: After further testing, the JS8500 does correctly passthrough 5.1 audio over ARC or optical.
8) The blacks are good. Not as good as we saw with the Sony X930C, but the contrast is decent and the uniformity is pretty good.
9) Only one pair of 3D glasses is included.
Hello! I am pretty concerned about the JS8500 one connect mini. They said it won't be upgradeable in the future. Is this true?
Samsung has claimed the opposite, that future One Connect Mini boxes will be compatible with current TVs. We'll only know for sure later on, but we'd guess that you'll be able to upgrade your TV's OneConnect Mini at some point.
The Judder is so HORRIBLE for this televisions is there away around this especially for game mode I know I can turn on automotion plus but moving the analog even slightly on a controller there's so much judder it's ridiculous is there a way around this for game mode? I don't think my eyes can adjust I'm not use to the blur
This TV shouldn't have any issues of that kind. Try using our recommended settings and see if those solve the issue. Email us if it persists.
Thanks for the fabulous rating service that you provide!
When shopping for a 65" Samsung JS8500, I found this model on Costco.com: UN65JS850DFXZA, and this model on Amazon.com: UN65JS8500.
I contacted Samsung, via chat, asking if these are identical TV's with different model numbers.
The Samsung rep stated: "Let me inform you that the features and specifications are same but the only difference is UN65JS850DFXZA is a store specific model which is available only at specific stores only."
Do you happen to know if the Samsung rep is correct...is Costco's model UN65JS850DFXZA the same JS8500 TV that you highly rated?
I have a 55" JS8500 and the viewing distance based on my room is approx. 5-8 feet. Based on recommendations on best picture calibration from various reviews and websites, including Rtings.com, I tuned the picture settings to movie mode with all its specific tweaks. The reality is that the movie mode has the dullest picture, and doesn't look all that great. I know for display at the store, they have the 4k demos playing in "Dynamic" picture mode to appear bright, colorful and pretty. But at home, the picture, especially up-scaled content from 480p, 720p and 1080p, doesn't look as sharp or crystal clear. Even Netflix/You Tube/Amazon Video upscaled content looks grainy and dull. Why is that? Is that normal for Samsung TVs? As before this I had a Sony 55" XBR 850C, and its upscaling was precise and beautiful (not grainy or pixelated at all) without much tweaking of the settings. JS 8500 does deliver amazing details and colors on 4:4:4 chroma @60 Hz, under HDMI UHD Color setting, but its picture quality and upscaling for its apps, Netflix, YouTube and Cable TV is weirdly not up to the mark. Could this be a problem with my set? PS: I have a 25mbps network connection. Thank you for your great work.
You may need a few days to get used to our calibrated settings. Since in stores they usually have very bright lights, they use the 'Dynamic' mode so it's easier to see the screens. At home, if you also have a lot of lights, try our settings and increase the 'Backlight'. Feel free to use another 'Picture Mode' too. As for upscaling, the two TVs use a different kind of upscaling so which one you prefer depends on your personal preference. Try to increase 'Sharpness' and turn on 'Digital Clean View'.
Thanks for the reply on "HDMI pass-through and both via HDMI ARC and Optical". That info is not often included in online resources. FYI, using my JS8500, it looks like if the TV's input source is DTS, the ARC/optical output is converted to Dolby Digital.
Also, you may want to consider adding information on what type of signal is passed via ARC/optical if the HDMI source is a higher fidelity signal like Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA.
For example, if I have an HDMI source using Dolby TrueHD connected to the TV via HDMI, my JS8500 TV's ARC and optical outputs are only Dolby Digital. If I have an HDMI source using DTS-HD MA connected to the TV via HDMI, my TV's ARC optical output is Dolby Digital while the optical output is Linear PCM (cannot tell if it is 2.0, 5.1 or something else). Thanks again for the great website!
Thanks for the info and your ideas. We're still working on this aspect of our testing/reviewing and you made some great suggestions.
Would you go with a 55" JS8500 or a 60" JU7100? Mostly for movies and casual TV, some sports, occasional use as computer monitor. Gaming unlikely. Both are similarly priced and I'd like the bigger screen (movies), but is the JS8500 good enough to justify the smaller screen?
If you sit closer to 10 feet, you will probably prefer the smaller JS8500 for the better picture quality. Farther than that, size becomes more important so get the JU7100 in that case.
Both are great TVs, and relatively in the same ballpark for picture quality, so don't worry too much and just follow your guts feeling.
I bought a 65 inch JS8500 and really happy so far with it. I play Xbox One and noticed a minor lag even when game mode is engaged for FIFA game. Is there any other setting that can help or will a manual setup help to reduce this lag? I understand JS 8500 is not the best gaming TV.
Thanks for the reply
Unfortunately no. Turning on game mode (under System-General) is the best way to reduce the lag, and you cannot reduce it any further via other settings.
I was excited to see your review on this model finally, I've been eyeing the JS8500 for weeks now. When i first read about Samsung's SUHD nano-crystal-magic-colors. I had thought it smacked of marketing hype, but having read the reviews and seen the unit in person, the colors really are amazing.
My question for you guys is how do I convince my wife that we need this tv now?!?
Haha, that's always the hardest part! But to be fair, the JS8500 isn't miles ahead of TVs like the JU7100, and that's why our overall scores are similar.
Trying to decide between this 8500 and the 7100 but I'm hoping to better understand why you rated the two the same (8.8) for Gaming when the lag was notably worse on the 8500 (8.5 vs 9.3), and you specifically mention that the 7100 is better for gaming. Are there other factors coming into play not mentioned? Thanks in advance.
Both are about the same for gaming, which is why our overall gaming score is very close. The motion blur is slightly better on the JS8500, but the JU7100 has lower input lag.
Since October, a very large amount of 65" JS8500s have inverted bottom-corner blue light bleed issue. It is "inverted" because it shows up on LIGHTER not darker content. Have you heard of this, seen it, or ever seen it on older (Spring 2015) sets? Has Samusung acknowledged or explained this widespread light bleed on recent sets? Is there any remedy?
We haven't seen any of this ourselves, and our unit doesn't exhibit the issue. Unfortunately, there is no good remedy to this. If you get a TV with significant light bleed, your best bet is to just return it.
Wait. Isn't edge lit supposed to have a worse uniformity than direct lit or full array?
Edge lit backlights got a bad reputation a few years ago when Samsung tried to make the thinnest TVs without caring about uniformity. Now, the TVs are not as thin (Samsung TVs, at least. Some other manufacturers like Sony still try to make thin edge-lit TVs, which results in poor uniformity).
That said, edge-lit TVs like the JS8500 are still more prone to black uniformity issues, but it is not as bad as before.
Gray uniformity is a different story. If you look at most of our gray uniformity pictures, you will see that a grid can be seen on almost all direct-lit and full array TVs. This is due to the dispersion of the LEDs directly behind the screen, because the screen will be slightly brighter above an LED. Edge-lit TVs don't have that problem, which is why they usually have less dirty screen effect.
Hello. Just asked a question about the JS8500 a week ago and now I guess I made the right choice in purchasing it a week ago! I love it a lot so far. Thanks for the best review online. It made my research all worth it. Thanks again.
I am curious to know if you know how Future proof this set will be a few years down the line when a lot more hdr comes out? I like the 9000 series but am hating the price point of almost 500 more on it compared to this set. Just not sure if this set will be future proof due to the mini one box compared to the 9000's full on box.
It is impossible to know. There are still competing standards for HDR with no clear winner so far. As will all early adoption of technologies, there is always a risk.
I am in the market for a 65" LED and strongly considering the JS8500. I mainly watch sports and cable HD. I'm used to plasma TVs and find them superior for my viewing needs. Unfortunately they are gone, and my 65 inch Runco plasma died. My question is, coming from plasma and moving to this LED TV, how much is motion blur going to be a problem? Motion blur drives me crazy and is my single most pressing concern. Also, is 4k upscaling going to make less-than-perfect HD signals look even worse? Thank you so much. Your site is fantastic!
This TV is very good for motion blur, so unless you're very sensitive and your last TV was extremely good for motion, you shouldn't have problems. The motion doesn't look exactly like a plasma TV though, because they flicker more than LED TVs. You might want to try turning on 'LED Motion Mode' under 'Auto Motion Plus', it gives a little bit the same feeling as a plasma in term of motion. The upscaling on this TV is good, and won't look worse than on a 1080p TV.
Most articles online say there is no need to buy expensive HDMI cables. For 4K TVs, is it still true? In other words, it is fine just to buy a high-speed HDMI cable for a 4K TV?
We found cheap HDMI cables just as good as - and sometimes better than - more expensive options. The Amazon Basics brand, for example, was able to send a 4k @ 60 hz @ chroma 4:4:4 signal, and a more expensive Redmere cable was not able to.
Bought this television and returned it. I need a 50" for gaming. You say it has no issue with motion, but I had a huge issue with it when it came to playing The Witcher. Couldn't even read the screen while scrolling with game mode on.
From your reviews, it sounds like getting the 7100 would only be worse? 21ms is great, but do you have any recommendations for a TV that will not make my 30 FPS games look choppy on my brand new next gen console? I don't get why I'm forced to buy these televisions for my new system that only make the new system look worse than intended.
The viewing angles are horrible, but I could stand that if my maps didn't look choppy while scrolling. When game mode is off, it looks just fine. But we can't have that input lag. So any idea for how to get the best of both worlds? I need input lag of this caliber or less, and better motion handling than this.
I really don't want a curved television because I don't want the distorted images either, but I'm open to try it if it's my only option. Coming from my CRT, The Witcher 3 was basically unplayable for me. I don't know how people do it.
For most elements of picture quality, CRT TVs are better, so you unfortunately can't expect even really good LED TVs like the Samsung JS8500 to match a CRT.
If you're willing to take on a bit more input lag, Sony TVs have a backlight flickering option called 'Impulse' mode. Using this feature results in the image looking a bit dimmer, but it also clarifies movement quite a bit.
Unfortunately, beyond that, there's really nothing to be done except adjust to the look of LED.
Excellent review! It's odd that this is the only high-end Samsung tv with input lag >30ms. Do you mind double checking and/or looking into this further? Thanks
Indeed, it is odd. We even tried the One Connect box of our JU7100 just in case, but it was still the same input lag. What is also surprising is PC mode had an input lag of 37.7 ms, which is lower than what we measured on other Samsungs.
We will retest it in a few weeks, just in case it was a firmware issue.
I'd love to get the JS8500, but I need to wall mount it and the one connect mini will be more than 10 feet away. I understand that is the approximate length of their proprietary cable for it. First of all, is that the correct length, and secondly, is there any other solution to that issue (a longer cable or a way to connect two cables together)? I know I am not the only person with this issue. Thanks.
The cable is seven feet long, and it doesn't look as though a longer cable/extension is available.
Are both the HDMI (4) ARC output and the digital optical output reduced to stereo (2.0)? I have read many websites that say "yes" to both but I called Samsung technical support (and did online chat too) and they say that if the HDMI input is 5.1, then the ARC and optical outputs will remain 5.1. Since my UN48JS8500 does not play well with my Sony HT-CT780 sound bar (control via HDMI only partially works--when turning on the TV, the sound bar input always switches to TV input even though the only input connection used is HDMI ARC), I am trying to figure out how best to connect the TV and sound bar and keep the audio as surround sound.
We recently did further testing with HDMI pass-through and both via HDMI ARC and Optical the JS8500 were able to send a 5.1 audio signal (DTS and Dolby Digital). You should then be fine using any method. We will update our reviews and answers soon to reflect this.
I just need to ask about something. If anyone noticed, Samsung has already released the Black Friday prices online, and these deals are on from 11/22 - 11/30.
I'm thinking of getting the 65" JS8500. It's now going for $1,999, and has at least $2,000 off. Do you guys think I should purchase it now before they run out, or is that just a trick to get people to spend their money before and after Black Friday? Is that the best time, or are further deals coming from Samsung? Note: This is my first Black Friday in USA. Thanks.
It's typical for Black Friday pricing on TVs to be announced a couple of weeks before Black Friday, so it's not really a trick, and we don't expect existing deals to improve before the day itself. If you decide to get the TV, you should go ahead and buy whenever you like. The prices will probably go up again at the beginning of December.
Loved the site and work you guys are doing. Almost read through all the questions. I have a simple question. 65JS8500 is now at $1,999 and my budget is around the same. My viewing distance is around 12'. I understand 4K benefit would diminish. I was wondering what 70 inch TV would give me a excellent picture quality at that distance. I almost bought the 8500 yesterday as I love the picture quality. Don't want to compromise on that.
Will use it for cable, Netflix mostly.
You won't find a 70" TV with the same picture quality of the JS8500. If the picture quality of the JS8500 please you, just get the 65".
I do hesitate between 65JS8500 and a new Hisense Canadian model 65H10B. The price is about the same, 3k$. Also This new model has nano Crystal technology and come with a 4 year warranty. I know you have not reviewed it but any little advice before I make my decision would be really appreciated.
Thanks, Sylvain in Boucherville.
The Hisense TV looks good from the specs, on paper. But we can really say only when we get a TV in our test room. This isn't the first time we are being asked about Hisense so if the interest continue to grow, we might test some in the future. For now, we can only say that the JS8500 is a sure choice and that we haven't seen much people not satisfied by its great picture quality. If even you go with the Hisense, make sure to let us know what you think about it.
After a lot of research, I had finally decided to pull the trigger on the JS8500 - until I read this review.
My viewing area is about 15-16 feet, and I watch a lot of sports and cable via DirecTV. I'm coming from a 58" Panasonic (and a 50" Pioneer Elite before that), so I figured the 65" would be plenty. You make it sound like the JU7100 is close enough in picture quality for me to step up to the 75" 7100 and not lose a lot in picture quality, though.
From this distance and wanting the best picture possible, would you go with the 65" 8500 or the 75" 7100? I'm blown away by the 8500 picture quality in Best Buy, but I'm not sure I'll notice that much of a difference one I get it home. I also found an open box 78HU9000 for the same price as a 7100, but I'm not sure about an open box at this price point.
At that distance, you should definitely go for the larger TV. You won't notice anywhere near as much of the detail you get with UHD if you go for the 65", and the other upgrades won't be that important at that size and distance, either.
We haven't reviewed the HU9000, but we expect its quality will be similar to the 7100. Given that the difference is only three inches, though, we'd stick with the 7100.
My TV has a slightly brighter lower-left corner (when facing the TV). It is only noticeable during brighter scenes. It has a bluish tinge to it, like the color is washed out.
I noticed that some people in the AVS forums also complained about this a couple of months ago, but I have not seen any similar complaints since. I did not notice it until I had my TV wall mounted, and it is now past my return window. Did you notice anything like this in your test TV? I know panels aren't perfect, but I am wondering it this is something Samsung corrected after the first batch of TVs. I got my TV in May of this year, BTW.
It sounds like a clouding issue. Those are normal, but generally aren't as bad as yours sounds. We didn't have that problem with our TV.
If you'd like, you can take a photo of your TV (displaying a black image would be ideal) and we can let you know our thoughts.
Hi, I'm considering either the 65" JU7100 or the JS8500. You have detailed all of the benefits of the JS8500, and I'm pretty much settled, with one reservation.
I've only seen either of these TVs at BestBuy. At three different stores the setup is the same. The JU7100 is running a slick 4k demo that really showcases the beauty of the display, but the JS8500 is running a crappy split demo, with tons of noise, and in all three instances, a huge amount of edge bleed on the JS. This has me concerned.
In your testing or use, have edge bleed or other lighting anomalies been a concern on the JS8500 to a great or lesser degree than the JU7100? Is it possible that this model is prone to this kind of problem after of a large number of hours in demo mode? The difference in price is $500.00, so barring this concern, it seems like a clear cut decision. Thanks for your time, and for what you do here!
The JS8500 is slightly more prone to black uniformity issues than the JU7100, yes. But the variance for black uniformity in general is pretty big for LED TVs, so it is possible to get a bad set on any models. If that's really your only concern that prevents you from getting a JS8500, don't worry about this and go for it. If you do happen to get one with a poor black uniformity, you can try the soft cloth massaging trick that works pretty well on the JS8500.
I just saw this at the local Sears. Beautiful picture, but basically unwatchable if you have any light coming from the front of the TV. There doesn't appear to be any anti-glare coating at all, it's like a mirror. It's the worst I've seen, worse even than glass.
Do you have any recommendations for something without this glaring (forgive the pun) flaw? Obvious the lower end stuff from Samsung is a bit better in this one regard, but I was looking for something higher-end, without a mirror finish.
The Sony X850C is probably your best bet. It's similar in quality to the Samsung JU7100, and it has a semi-floss finish, so it's better at handling reflections from directly opposite the TV.
Would this TV be a big upgrade from the H7150, for picture quality? And gaming on PS3, PS4, Xbox One? Thanks.
It does have a few advantages over the H7150, like 4k resolution, a wider color gamut, better gray uniformity, lower input lag, and HDR capability.
That said, it's also much more expensive, and the H7150 is still great. If it's a financial stretch to get the JS8500, go for the H7150. It's a very good choice.
Thanks for the great review. Is the extra $500 between the JS7000 and JS8500 worth it? It seems like only difference is 3D, which I don't need, and the JS7000 shows 120 motion rate vs 240 for the JS8500, but I've heard those ratings can be misleading anyway.
You're right that those motion rates are misleading. For Samsung's 4k TVs, the motion rate is double the refresh rate, so the JS7000 has a 60 hz refresh rate, and the JS8500 has a 120 hz refresh rate.
The JS7000 has judder when playing 24 fps movies, and its screen is PLS, so it has a wide viewing angle, but weak contrast. For those reasons, the JS8500 is worth getting instead. If you don't want to spend that extra money, the JU7100 would get you really good picture quality as well, though a bit worse than the JS8500.
Do you have any info on JS8000 ? Would you anticipate about the same as JS 8500 but flat ? Was about to spring for JU7100 but now thinking I should wait for JS8000. Any help appreciated.
You can find the JS8000 specs here.
It is mostly a change in design compared to the JS8500. A few notable changes are the smaller speakers, thicker frame and no 3D.
It's price is still significantly higher than the JU7100 so the small benefits of it's picture quality aren't that much worth it.
What is the input lag doing 4k @ 60Hz + HDR and 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR on this TV? I need this info for gaming. Also, do you think I should upgrade to the KS8000?
Unfortunately we don't have the JS8500 to test this anymore. The KS8000 offers slightly better all-round picture quality, mostly due to the higher peak brightness. This is probably not worth upgrading for unless you find the HDR input lag bad on your JS8500.
I see this TV is listed as "Edge-Array" backlighting. Any idea what this means? Is this just marketing speak for Edge-Lit? I noticed low-end stuff like the JU7100 doesn't have this listed as a feature, so I'm confused what they mean by this.
Hello Gentlemen. Partly because your review, I own a UN55JS8500 and I have only one question for you. How can you get the unit to upscale to 4K any of the input sources or is that possible at all? As of now I do not receive any 4K programs. Thank you for your attention.
Everything your TV displays is upscaled to 4k - that's the only way a signal with a lower resolution can be shown on a screen with a higher resolution. It's not going to add any detail, though, so the picture will look more or less like what you'd see on a TV with a resolution equal to that of the signal.
I am going to buy a Samsung 65" flat TV (not curved TV). I am considering the 6500 series for $1,799, the 7100 series for $2,299, and the JS8500 SUHD for roughly $3,200. I'm leaning toward the 7100 series as a reasonable middle ground, since I don't know if the JS8500 SUHD is really worth the considerable extra money.
I sit about 12 feet from my TV and watch mostly TV and movies. I don't watch sports, don't use the TV for gaming, and don't use it as a PC monitor. Please let me know your thoughts as to which TV to buy. Thanks in advance for your help. You guys are great.
The benefits of the JS8500 are more geared toward videophiles, so for general movie and TV watching, the JU7100 is the better option for you. The JU6500 has judder when displaying movies, so don't get that model.
First and foremost, thank you for an excellent site. My 13-year-old 55" JVC HD-ILA (HD-56G786) has recently developed a shadow spot, and after trying new bulbs I've come to the conclusion I need to get up on a new one.
After many hours of research, your site has proved to be the most valuable resource I could find on learning about the current technologies and deciding what was most important to me. I'm pretty certain this is the TV I will be purchasing when I go to Best Buy tomorrow. I liked the OLED, but I found the price jump to be too much to swallow for a 65". However, I do wish you did a review on the LG 65UF9500 - they are the exact same price and it's nearly impossible to find any valuable comparison other than the obvious passive vs. active 3D.
Is it safe to say that at least on similar models you find the LG to have a better view angle but the Samsung to have a better contrast and picture quality?
Yes. That has indeed been the trend, and will be the case once we post a review for the UF9500.
Awesome website. Really been helpful in making a decision on which TV to get. What I'm trying to decide between is the Sony X850C and Samsung JS8500 / JS9000. What really perked my interest in the Sony model is the ability to output 1080p @ 120hz. I am also upgrading my gaming rig in the process; but I wonder whether this is really such a crucial feature, since I plan to game in 4k. It's also a nice plus that the Sony model will get HDR support via a software update. Any thoughts on the above?
The choice of playing at 1080p@120 vs 4k@60 really depends on your personal preference and the type of games. It is a trade off between smoother motion and more details. For FPS games, you will probably prefer the higher frame rate. For slower paced games though, the bigger resolution is more enjoyable.
Is there a difference between the JS8500 and the JS850D sold by Costco? Are they the same exact TV w/ different model #'s, or different TVs w/ similar specs?
The only difference is in the coloring. The JS8500's frame is silver, but the JS850D's has a darker, charcoal color. Both perform the same, though, and otherwise have the same features.
Update: Original answer did not acknowledge the different coloring of the TVs' frames.
Being that the industry has seemed to decide on DCI P3 as a stop gap on the way to Rec. 2020, do you think that you'll be using that instead when testing the color gamut?
No. We prefer to test against the wider Rec. 2020, to push manufacturers to aim more than just DCI P3. We want a perfect TV, which is why we are very strict for things like these or uniformity. We might add the DCI P3 coverage number in the future, but the score will continue to be based on Rec. 2020.
I think it is important to note that the TV MUST be in game mode to even have acceptable input lag. When I got my JS850D (JS8500 clone) I forgot to do that and the input lag was unbearable. Could you list all of the settings that need to be turned on or off to achieve the 36.9 ms input lag?
I had to return my 65" JS850 in the end because it had severe flash lighting and clouding but like you mentioned the colors are not too far off of accurate by default in movie mode. This really would be an outstanding TV if it wasn't for the fact that the panels vary so much. One example of the TV can look great and the rest will have clouding and flash lighting in the corners.
The panel lottery with these Samsung TVs just wasn't worth the hassle.
Yes, we measured 117ms in movie mode, which is quite high. You only need to turn on game mode to achieve the 36.9ms input lag. This mode grays out all features that can affect the lag, so you can play with any options left without worrying about the lag.
As for the flashlighting and clouding variance, don't forget that you can fix most of the issues easily by rubbing a soft dry cloth gently in long strikes against the panel, and then waiting a few days for the TV to settle into its new position. The shipping process put stress against the TV, especially for the more sensitive edge-lit backlights, so it takes a few days for the TV to recover. We do this before our reviews, and it fixes the major issues on about 50% of them.
Can you explain the difference in chroma 4:4:4 and 4:2:0?
In short, 4:2:0 share the color data across neighboring pixels, while in 4:4:4 each pixels are really independent. Blu-rays are 4:2:0, while computers normally output at 4:4:4. We will have soon a more complete description on this article.
I am in need of a new TV. I am all about picture quality and having a flat screen. I currently have a Samsung DLP 50" and sit about 10 ft away. Ideally I would like to get something about 75" and take advantage of HDR, since TVs tend to last a long time. Anything over 65" tends to be extremely expensive. (JS8600 78" $7,999)
Should I settle for the 65" JS8500 as my main TV and then rotate that to the bedroom in 2-3 yrs? In that time hopefully HDR will be standardized and prices will hopefully be cheaper for 75" and above. I would hate to spend $5000-$8000 only to have a TV that most likely will be outdated in two yrs. Thanks.
If HDR is the main reason you want to upgrade, then yes, the plan you outlined would be a good idea (provided you don't mind not getting as much benefit from the 4k resolution for the next two years).
If you don't mind skipping on HDR (widespread content availability likely won't arrive for a while anyway), you could always opt for the 75" JU7100. It has really good picture quality and costs a good deal less than the JS8600. And, of course, anything you buy will be outdated within a couple of years, so there's no big reason to wait around. There's always something new on the way.
I just ordered the JS8500 and also purchased a Samsung HW-H7501 soundbar to go with it. I will also be connecting an HD receiver/DVR, a PS3, and a PS4 to the television (all with HDMI cables; the PS4 will serve as my Blu-Ray player). How should I connect the devices to ensure the best picture and sound quality? Will I need to get an optical cable, or will the HDMI cables be sufficient? I've never done this before, so I don't know what I should connect to the TV and what I should connect to the soundbar. Any advice or assistance would be appreciated.
Any of the ports will work fine for any of your devices, so there's no need to worry. You can use an optical cable for the audio if you want, but it's also possible to take advantage of HDMI 4's ARC feature, which lets your TV send the audio signal it is receiving (from any source) down the cable and to the soundbar.
I have the option to buy this 65" JS8500 or the 2014 model HU8550 at 75" for the same price. What would you recommend? Are there any improvements in the JS8500 (i.e. nanocrystals SUHD, or other firmware, apps) that would make me want to go with the newer model over the greater size of the HU8550?
There are a few extras (the wider color gamut, HDR capability), but we recommend taking the larger HU8550 instead. Both TVs have great overall picture quality, and you'll appreciate the extra screen real estate more than you would those other features.
My JS8500 seems to respond to room lighting. Even if I set it to Dynamic, in a dimly-lit room it will, after a short while, automatically dim the picture. If this is a function, is there any way to shut it off?
Disable the 'Eco Sensor' feature. You can find it in 'Settings' -> 'System' -> 'Eco Solution.'
You list the stand width for the 55" model of the JS8500 as being 39" (roughly 80% of the TV's 49" width), but you have the stand width on the JU7100 55" model marked as 33.75" (roughly 70% of the TV's 49" width). In the "Design" photos, the stands for the JS8500 and the JU7100 appear to have same similar proportion ratios to the the televisions, and they appear to take up a similar amount of space on the table they're sitting on, assuming the same table is being used for all televisions. The head-on photos of the products from Samsung's website make it look like the JU7100 might actually be slightly wider than the JS8500 stand in a given model. Are either of the JS8500 or JU7100 stand widths a typo, or are the angles in the photos just playing tricks with perspective?
You are right. Thank you for pointing this error! We remeasured it and they are both the same size (33.75"). The review has been updated. Thanks!
How is the Samsung 55JS8500 compared to the LG 55EC9300?
The 1080p EC9300 has deeper, more uniform blacks, less blur, better gray uniformity, and a wider viewing angle. The JS8500 is 4k, can get much brighter, and has less input lag (though the LG's is still average, so not a problem).
For a dark room situation, and assuming you don't care much about 4k, the EC9300 is the better choice. For watching TV in a very bright room, or if you absolutely must have 4k video, the JS8500 is the better buy.
Does Samsung make this TV with different versions, and therefore different panels? I have heard they do this on their TVs, where TH01 or TS01 is a Samsung panel, and a different version is an inferior panel not made by Samsung. Is this the case for this TV?
This site is extremely informative.
I connect my TV through a cable set-top box via Verizon Fios. I planned on purchasing the Samsung UN65JS8500. However, if this cable set top box connection limits this 4k TV from achieving its full potential in terms of sharpness, clarity, motion blur reduction, I will rethink this purchase. Thank you for your assistance.
Cable isn't a high-quality source, so you wouldn't be accessing the TV's full potential.
If you'll only be watching cable, you'll be better off saving money and getting a 1080p TV. The Samsung J6300 is the best 1080p LED TV we've seen this year, and is a much better choice for what you want to do.
Comparing this TV to the JS9000. I was told this TV is essentially the flatscreen version of the 9000. Primarily, I'm buying it for gaming, but don't want movies to be bad either (We do watch a lot of those).
I have a couple concerns/questions though.
A) OneConnect Mini: I'm afraid this isn't as 'Future Proof' as the OneConnect is due to the CPU being in the TV in newer models. Is this a wasted fear, or should I take it into consideration?
B) The price difference is nice, especially since I've never used a curved TV before, will I notice any difference, or will it be difficult to adjust?
C) This TV will be "4K" (UHD I think is what you call it) ready for 4K Blu-Rays?
Appreciate the information.
You're not wrong. There's more upgrade potential with the regular OneConnect box. This shouldn't be that big of a deal for most people, since it's unlikely that much functionality will be added by newer OCBs (but we don't know yet), but still something to consider.
Curved screens really don't do much, so there shouldn't be any big adjustment. You can see a comparison here.
Yes, it will be ready for 4k/UHD Blu-rays.
I have the 65" JS8500 and my Xbox One has a setting for "PC RGB" which I assume is full RGB. Does the JS8500 support full RGB? And if it does should I be using it? Anything need setup on the TV side of it in the settings also? Note - I am pretty much on par with your recommended settings minus I few personal tweaks but pretty much spot on with your recommendations.
The JS8500 support full RGB but it won't bring any advantage to the picture quality and may open the path to more matching issues. In the end, what's important is that your console and TV use the same settings. Either both set to full or both set to low. If you want to try it, set your Xbox to 'PC RGB' then go in the TV menu under 'Picture' - 'Picture Options' - 'HDMI Black Level' and select 'Normal' (Full).
Ok, so I'm not sure whether I should get a 55 inch JU7500 or a 55 inch JS8500. I can get JS8500 for only 140$ extra money. I love to watch movies and I play games on my PS4. So that being said JS8500 seems to be better in everything except for a little bit of extra input lag and a little worse motion blur (which should still be near perfect). Now I'm interested whether you think I'd actually be able to notice the difference in blur and extra input lag? Would the extra input lag "hinder" my game performance, or it's still a low enough lag not to be noticed? Which TV would you pick (knowing that price is almost the same)? And do you think that I'll experience judder while streaming movies through my computer or XFINITY TV?
Also (a little off topic) - how would a 55 inch Sony X810 perform in comparison with previously mentioned Samsung TV's?
Thank you a lot! You guys are the best!
All those TVs share a great picture quality and you probably wouldn't see a difference as far as their input lag and blur. The main differences between them are features. The x810c has the least amount of features but is always judder-free. The JU7500 supports 3D and Local dimming and the JS8500 add HDR support with a wider color gamut on top of this. Just pick the one with the features you want.
I just swapped the Sony X850C for the Samsung JS8500 at Best Buy on Sunday. The JS8500 just dropped to $1,999, which is the same price as the X850C, and cheaper somehow than the JU7100.
I will say that the picture quality is much better than the Sony. My only concern is the OneConnect box. I am not too thrilled about not having any HDMI ports on the TV itself.
My only question is, what is the benefit of having the sharpness set so low?
That's just the setting at which there is no sharpness being added to the TV. We calibrate for the most unprocessed picture we can get, so that's the setting we need to make that happen.
Hi I just want to thank you for this awesome site. It is very informative and helped me decide between Samsung 8500-7500-7100. I chose the 8500 after it went on black Friday sale for 2000$. I just want to thank you for your recommendation in regards to wiping the screen with a cloth in long strokes, my Samsung 8500 came with some corner bleeding and flashlighting but after using your advice my screen is 100% cured of flashlighting and corner bleeding. Thank you!
Can you please review LG's highest end UHD flat TV i.e LGUF9500? I'm comparing this one with Samsung's UN65JS8500, as both of them have more or less similar specs.
This is the next TV we will review. It should be up around the end of next week. Expect it to have worse picture quality than the JS8500 because of it's IPS panel that produce weak blacks and contrast.
There actually is a difference between these two models. The JS850D has a darker, charcoal gray bezel and stand, which some people prefer over the JS8500's lighter, brushed-stainless steel appearance and finish.
Does the js8500 have a problem with connecting to home networks? Have Verizon FIOS and I'm getting 25/25. Even when I can connect, can not access NetFlix, YouTube, Amazon Prime or any of that type of App. Had a Samsung 55" tv in the same spot and never had a problem. In fact, I moved the 55" to a bedroom further away and it still connects with no problem. Also have Amazon Fire box, Roku, 40" Samsung TV and 2 BluRay players that connect and can play all of those Apps. Does this TV need faster speeds to access these Apps. Can not even download and install the latest update from Samsung. Have heard Samsung has had to replace the part that connects the TV to home networks. Samsung support is no help. They have made the TV worse than it was before they took control and started messing around with it.
You can start by resetting the TV to factory defaults. If that doesn't change anything, then for testing purposes, try to move the TV closer to the router (or the router closer to the TV). From there, try to upgrade the firmware again. If you are still not able to or that the speed doesn't get any better, it's fair to assume the TV isn't working like it should and you should either return the TV for another one or get back to Samsung with the latest tests results. They would have to assume the problem from there. Let us know how it goes.
Is there a noticeable difference between SUHD and UHD? JU7500 vs JS8500?
There isn't much difference between the two as far as picture quality. The JS8500 SUHD will offer a wider color gamut and support for HDR. If those features aren't important to you, then the JU7500 would be a good choice.
I just bought the 65" JS8500 and like to toss in my 2 cents. Coming from an LG 55LB6300 IPS TV, I wanted better blacks, better uniformity, and similar colors. In every way, this TV does not disappoint. Motion handling is superb as well. There's a bit of clouding on a flat black screen, but this is a rare case since most content won't display this. Still leaps and bounds better than the grey "blacks" on IPS. Finally, a TV with the same great colors as IPS but far better black levels. One gripe about VA panels though, in fine textures and back-lit leafy scenes, when the camera pans, there's flickering/shimmering as though the pixels can't keep up with dark to light transitions. My IPS TV didn't have this problem. It's not a common occurrence but when it happens, it's distracting. Every VA panel TV I've tried has had this problem.
Thank you for your feedback. The JS8500 is indeed a great TV. The flickering you noticed on some panning transitions are due to how the backlight flashes. It can be distracting at times but it enable to maintain a high level of details.
I must say I am truly disappointed with your review of this TV. I recently bought the 55" JS8500 based on this review and it's virtually impossible to watch any letterbox movies without a constant flicker of the top and bottom letterbox shifting from gray to black. Short of disabling both settings, it makes no difference what combination of Smart LED and Cinema Black I use - I'll still have the issue. Samsung should have realized this problem and corrected it before releasing this model!
We agree that it's a problem, and it's something Samsung should have addressed. We usually leave those features off, though, and recommend most others do as well, which is why our review wasn't affected by the issue.
With PC mode, is the picture quality (color accuracy and what not) anywhere near the quality of Movie mode? And does local dimming even work with PC mode? Thanks.
PC mode has almost every feature grayed out, including local dimming and advanced calibration settings. PC mode really just displays the original source with the least amount of processing. It is therefore very accurate and similar to our calibration in movie mode, but if you enjoy some processing (contrast enhancer for example), you might not like it.
Do you recommend your, 10 point, 2 point and color space settings you have for everyone or native? Thank you for the great reviews and info.
It depends on the content you are watching. On normal content, setting 'Colorspace' to 'Native' will produce over saturated colors, which isn't good. It is great for HDR content though, or content that over saturated colors isn't bad (cartoons, or animated movies for example). As for using our 10/2pts values, it is usually not recommended because it varies per unit, but you might give it a try and see if you like them.
Could you please explain and comment on one of the earlier posts when he said that the panels vary from TV to TV? I think I read somewhere that they sometimes get their panels from different sources. Is this something that we should be concerned about? Any buying advice?
You're right, it is just that some models use panels from different manufacturers. There are some slight differences, but most people can't notice them. It's not something you need to worry about.
What exactly does "24p via 60i/p" in the feature table entail? Is it some sort of built-in inverse telecine signal processing?
I noticed that the JS8500 doesn't support 24p via 60i/p, while the lower-end JU7100 does, and I was wondering whether it would make a noticeable difference when watching films that are produced in 24p via sources that only output in 1080p60/1080i60, like a Roku box or premium channels (HBO/Showtime) from a satellite/cable subscription.
Yes, exactly; it's just a note about whether 24 fps video played over a 60 hz connection will have judder or not.
And the answer is yes, it would.
Hi, which TV would you recommend between the JS8500 and last year's model, the HU8550. I thought of buying last year's model to save a couple of extra bucks, or is it worth it to get this year's model? Is there a great difference?
The HU8550 is more similar to the JU7100. If you want the upgrades you get with the JS8500 (HDR, wider range of colors, and better overall picture) and you can afford the price increase, then yes, the JS8500 is worth getting. If you don't mind skipping on those features, the HU8550 is a great bargain.
After reading a lot about JU7100, X850C, JS8500, and a few visits to the nearby Best Buy store, I decided that I am going to buy the 65" JS8500. But I am concerned about the high input lag of the TV, outside of the game mode. Does this hinder my experience while watching movies or sports?
Additionally, I would like to know whether you have tested this TV on Comcast or any cable service, and how does the upscaling look for cable? Thanks for the reply.
Input lag only matters for gaming, so you're fine for movies and sports.
We have not tested the TV with a cable signal, but our upscaling tests are representative of what you would see with lower resolutions.
I was considering purchasing a 48" JS8500 to use as a computer monitor and both your review and the section on using a TV as a computer monitor were encouraging with regard to that model. While 37.7 ms input lag in PC mode sounds negligible, I don't have a good feel for how discriminating the human senses involved can be.
Can you offer any subjective impressions on what it's like to go from PC monitor input lag (which I find unnoticeable) to TV-level input lag (say, 37.7ms)? Do you sense a delay from mouse and/or keyboard input that could be considered annoying? I know this isn't the kind of analysis you probably want to be doing, so feel free to edit or ignore this as you choose. I'm just very curious and have no way of testing it myself.
It depends on what you're doing. 37.7 ms is an average amount of input lag for a TV, and most people won't notice it while gaming (and not at all for productivity purposes).
Usually, it starts to be noticeable around 50ms. 100ms and higher is definitely a deal breaker, and the mouse feels very behind when you move it fast.
I am very confused by the refresh rates here. We passed on the Samsung UN75JU6500 because of its 60 Hz refresh rate with generic 120 motion rate. Opted instead for this panel, as many review sites claimed it has a true refresh rate of 120 Hz. Now I see here that it can only do 60 Hz @ 1080p, with the same refresh rate at 4K. Where does the 120 Hz refresh rate come in, or it it really just a paper spec with no actual real world application?
Samsung TVs can't display a 120 hz signal, but they can interpolate a 60 hz signal up to 120 hz. It's slightly misleading, but technically accurate. Some other TVs, like the 4k models made by Sony, can display true 120 hz.
I recently purchased the JS8500 (65") and love it. Fantastic picture quality. Quick question on calibration/settings. I exclusively stream content on the TV (no cable box, no blu ray). All my content is streamed through Netflix, HBO Now, Watch ESPN, etc. I read through your recommended calibration settings and I'm just wondering if there are any changes you would suggest for this type of usage. Thanks!
Make sure 'Digital Clean View' is on. Everything else will be fine as-is.
I've noticed some good deals on the UN55JS8500F version - the Canadian/Australian import model. I can find almost no information online about what the differences are between it and the regular version; I'd like to make sure it's not lacking anything essential before buying. Do you know what the differences are?
Thanks for the great reviews!
There shouldn't be any difference between them. That said, this sounds like a typical upselling trick used by some resellers. They offer a discounted international version and then try to upsell you to the American version, cancelling the order if you decide not to pay the extra.
We recommend buying from a Samsung authorized reseller to avoid running into this sort of problem.
How come this TV looks horrible with LED Clear Motion on while playing 30 fps games? And is it normal that I have image trailing? I feel like I'm gonna get a headache half the time. I never noticed it until I got this TV.
It's probably just that you don't like the look of LED Clear Motion. The feature doesn't get rid of the trail on moving objects, so it's normal that you'll still see that.
I have a gaming rig with GTX 980ti, which has HDMI 2.0 and is capable of delivering 4k at up to 60 fps in most games. I recently bought a Sony 55" X850C, while I was leaning very much towards the JS8500, given that it has nano crystal tech and 4:4:4 @ 60hz (2160p) capability.
I later realized that with the firmware update from Sony, it can also support 4k @60hz 4:4:4. My question is- should I consider exchanging the X850C for a JS8500 based on any improved performance, like with input lag, picture quality, or just SUHD? Also, quickly, are there settings on the X850C for best 4k picture quality for PC games? I don't see deep color option or PC mode. Thank you very much!
The JS8500 does have slightly better picture quality, and the input lag is lower. It's also very expensive, and those differences won't be that apparent to most people. If you're happy with your X850C, we recommend keeping it. The X850C also has the advantage of 1080p @ 120fps, or even low input lag while having motion interpolation turned on, so it is great for PC gaming.
For PC, the settings that we listed are good, but also use 'Game' mode and enable the 'Enhanced' HDMI signal format. You can find that option in 'Settings' -> 'External Inputs.'
I sit about 10 feet from the TV. Better to go with a 65" Samsung JS8500 or a 75" Vizio M-series? They are the same price.
Since it's bigger, most people will prefer the 75" Vizio, but if you're a gamer, or you have very perceptive eyes and need top quality picture, the Samsung JS8500 will be the better buy. Games will have less blur, and the colors are more uniform.
As someone who dislikes motion blur and judder, I am very interested in this TV. The review notes that is great for sports, my primary use, because of the gray uniformity, motion blur, and judder. When the judder and motion blur were tested, did they have the highest "smoothing" options on? While I dislike motion blur, I dislike the "soap opera effect" even more. Basically, with the smoothing settings turned off, is this TV still a good option for sports (little motion blur and judder)? Thank you.
We only test for judder and blur with interpolation off, so yes, this TV is great for sports by default.
Is the jump from UHD to SUHD worth the extra money?
It depends if your are interested in HDR content. SUHD will give you a broader color range that will mostly be effective in HDR. If HDR is not something you are looking for, SUHD won't be worth the extra money. There are many aspects that makes great picture quality and the better color range is only one of those.
Thank you for the great site. We are new to the current market as what we have now is a 51 inch projection that is 13 years old. At the moment we are considering a Samsung UN65JU6500 at the same price as a UN55JS8500. We sit 9 feet away. Recommendation?
The main differences between the two is that the JS8500 is judder free with 24p contents and boast a wider range of colors (HDR ready). The JU6500 also comes with less picture options (no HDR, 3D or local dimming). For the better picture quality, get the UN55JS8500. You will enjoy it more than having a slightly bigger TV at your distance.
Hi, how does it compares with the 2014 model: UN50HU7000? I've just bought that one and I'm guessing if I should switch. I use it mainly for movies (blu-ray). Thanks!
We didn't review the HU7000 so it's hard to say but we wouldn't expect the JS8500 to have that much of a better picture quality. The differences would mainly be in features like 3D, HDR support and the newer Samsung smart interface 'Tizen' available on the JS8500.
First off I love this site! Thank you so much for the reviews and space to post. I'm having a super hard time choosing between the JS8500 and the JU7500. I plan on playing games via PS4 and maybe my gaming laptop, but most importantly movies and sports. Movies like Transformers in 3D.
I'm looking for the best picture and picture that will look the best when they come out with 4K movies. I see the JS8500 has 240 hz and the JU7500 is 120 hz. Will it be best to spend more for the 240 hz? Or no. Curved screen or flat doesn't matter to me. Any help would be great! Thank you!
Both the JS8500 and the JU7500 are 120 hz TVs. Samsung is just trying to be misleading with the 240 hz label.
The JU7500 is better for gaming (less blur, lower input lag), but the JS8500 is the best option for watching upcoming 4k material, since it has the ability to display a wider range of colors.
Both are good for everything, so just pick whichever one has the strengths you prefer.
I know Samsung hasn't really dealt with this yet, but what advantages might we miss out on with the One Connect Mini versus the One Connect. Obviously, we're stuck with a quad-core processor forever, but since I rely on my PS4 for most of my streaming services (I've never had a Smart TV before actually) I'm not overly concerned with that.
Any thoughts you have on this would be appreciated.
Basically, the One Connect Mini only provide the connections (inputs/outputs) of the TV while the full One Connect box also provide the CPU and Smart interface. For example, users with a One Connect Mini might be able to upgrade the TV connections in the future (like when a new version of HDMI will be available) but won't be able to upgrade the Smart interface or the navigation speed of the TV.
My viewing seats are about 11.5' (the room is 14' wide) and I watch a lot of sports and netflix. From this distance, would you go with the 65" JS8500 or the 75" JU7100? Price isn't a factor, however it is roughly $1,800 more for the 75".
Get the 65" JS8500. A 75" would be better at your distance, but given the price difference, and that the JS8500 also has a better picture quality, you will appreciate the JS8500 more.
I just bought the JS8500. I use it for fios tv, Netflix, playstation 4, Blu-ray movies and watching hockey and football. I have a couple questions. I should only put on game mode when playing playstation 4 or does it matter if I just always leave it on game mode. I put calibration at what you said should be set at. Should I ever change it? If the things above are only things I'm using tv for should I be setting the calibrations and setting a specific way? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
You could always leave game mode on if you want, but most people would probably prefer turning it off to have access to more features when not playing video games. Besides that, our settings should be good for your usage.
Was interested in the JS8500 but I have four windows facing the TV. I'm concerned about the reflections. In store I really only noticed reflections if the screen was black. I see in an earlier post you mentioned the X850C. TV is used mainly for cartoons during the day and sports. I noticed the Sony has low score for sports. Blinds are an option for the windows. What would your recommendation be if there are no blinds?
The glossy finish will be a bigger detriment in your home, with the windows closer and directly opposite the screen. The X850C is fine for sports, and since it doesn't have a glossy screen finish, it's the better choice if you're not getting blinds. With blinds, the JS8500 is better, just because the overall picture quality is a step up.
In regards to picture quality, how will the js8500 stack up to my Panasonic vt50? Absolutely love my vt50, but it is only a 55". I think I want to get something bigger and unfortunately all these brands have done away with plasma. Am I going to be disappointed going to led?
It will look different. Worse in some aspects (like blacks and uniformity), but better in others (like max luminosity or color gamut). As long as you don't expect the exact same picture quality, you should be fine switching to the JS8500.
Will the 65JS8500 be better at eliminating vertical banding than the 60JS7000? Did you have any banding on yours? The gray uniformity in your review looks good, and that is the cause of vertical banding, correct? I'm looking for a tv that will eliminate as much banding as possible without being OLED.
Yes, if a TV has banding issues, it will be apparent on the gray uniformity test and there wasn't any problem of the sort on the JS8500 that we reviewed. Vertical banding is easily seen on this test for the JS7000. It is a bit the luck of the draw though. It is expected that the gray uniformity of the JS8500 will be better than the JS7000 but it also varies for the same model and size TV so you can get a little better or worse.
I'm interested in mounting this tv for a slim profile, any recommendations on a particular slim or thin mount to purchase?
Not in particular (we don't use any) but you can base your purchase on the thickness advertised on manufacturers web sites. Even cheap options are good as long as they support the weight of the TV (cheaper mounts are just a little trickier to install). The JS8500 is great for wall mount since its back inputs are placed sideways so you can have a pretty slim wall mount. Just keep in mind that you have the OneConnect box to place somewhere and that its cord is 6 feet long with no possibility to extend it.
Just purchased this TV and it looks great. Thanks for the info. I'm wondering if the upscaling to 4K is automatic, or if I have to turn it on somewhere. I'm noticing that my TV signal coming from my TV provider through the cable box is only displaying at 1080i. Thanks in advance.
Upscaling is the only way a TV can make lower resolutions fill the screen, and yes, it is automatic. The '1080i' you're seeing listed is the resolution of the signal, and 1080i is normal.
The JS8500 seems to be the best option for my living room. But, my problem is that I sit about 13 feet away from my TV, most likely making 4k null from that distance. Could you recommend any 1080p sets similar to the JS8500? Thanks!
The best LED option is the Samsung J6300, though that doesn't really match the JS8500 for picture quality (in particular, the uniformity and motion blur are a bit worse). For better picture (even better than the JS8500), the LG EG9100 OLED model is the one to get. The contrast and uniformity are a big step up, and there's virtually no blur on fast movement.
Your UN65JS8500FXZA review was what made our buying decision. As always, thanks for your hard work. My question is, how does it do in a dark room? Our living room is dark, yet most of your review addresses light in a living room and reflections. How does this look in a darker room?
The blacks get pretty deep, so it looks very good in a dark room.
I just purchased a JS8500 based on your review (thank you!) and am eager to set it up. I have a few questions I haven't been able to find answered, so maybe you can help:
1) Do the different inputs remember specific picture settings? Most notably, do they remember the "Game" setting? Since this is buried under menus, I'd rather not have to toggle this every time I switch between an Xbox One and other sources.
2) I'm a little fuzzy about how ARC works, so I have some questions about it and the ideal audio setup for this TV: I have a Yamaha Neo HD-500 A/V receiver through which I get my DTS 5.1/DTS sound. On my older setup, I ran all of my devices (Xbox One, Blu-ray player, Apple TV) through this and to the TV, but on the new TV that would have disadvantages, including a lack of refresh rate responsiveness necessary for 3D movies, and the aforementioned ability of the TV to remember picture settings for each input.
So what I'd like to do is have all devices run through the television and have the TV pass their audio bitstream out to the Yamaha, which I'd leave on the "TV" setting constantly. Is this possible through an optical cable, or would I have to sacrifice one of my TV's HDMI inputs (the one that is labeled 'ARC') to run sound from all devices through the TV to the receiver?
Also, I don't think the older Yamaha Neo HD-500 even supports ARC explicitly, so will this setup work at all? Or am I relegated to connecting all of my devices through the receiver as I did before? If that's the case, am I sacrificing picture quality/processing tricks that the TV would do better if devices were plugged in direct?
1) Yes for both.
2) You need a receiver that explicitly supports ARC (should say so on one of the HDMI inputs/outputs) to be able to use that feature. Since you don't have that option, use optical instead. It will work perfectly for what you want to do, and you won't need to run everything through the receiver.
I would like to use the Sonos soundbar 5.1 set with this TV, but we all know the issues with Sonos and DTS. If I connect all of my devices (Dish, Bluray, etc) to this TV, will I still get true DTS 5.1 from the TV's optical output to Sonos?
The TV can definitely output DTS 5.1 via optical, so if there is any issue with the transmission, it will be on the sound bar's end. Unfortunately, we don't have a Sonos sound bar to test for this ourselves.
Does the JS8500 meet the new HDR requirements as just announced at CES this week?
We can't offer a full comparison just yet. We calculate the depth of blacks differently than the manufacturers do (we disable local dimming and set the backlight to 100cd/m2), and without knowing what settings the manufacturers are using for their black measurement, we won't be able to directly compare.
The JS8500 has a peak brightness of 526.9 cd/m2, though, which doesn't quite meet the minimum brightness standard of 540 cd/m2, so it looks like it doesn't.
Hello, and thanks for answering all these questions! I love your site and have passed it along to lots of other people. I recently bought a 65" JS8500 (haven't received it yet). In the past with my TVs, I have hooked them up via HDMI to a receiver in order to get surround sound (and better sound than the TV speakers can produce), and I plan on doing the same with my new JS8500. So everything I watch, be it Cable or Netflix or Blu-Rays all come through my surround sound speakers.
My previous TV was a "smart" TV and had the Netflix app, for example, but so did my Receiver. I always watched Netflix through the app on the receiver, rather than the TV (not sure why, just did it that way). My question is with my new 4k TV (assuming I have Netflix 4k content available), will I have to play the Netflix app from my TV (vs. the receiver's Netflix app) in order to see 4k resolution? Or, can I still play the Netflix from my receiver and get the 4k?
Follow-up question is if the answer is I have to watch the Netflix app from my TV in order to get 4k resolution display, will the sound still come out of my surround sound/receiver, or will it only come through the TV speakers with my current HDMI setup (which is TV > HDMI In > Receiver > HDMI Out > TV)?
It's possible that the receiver's app will work, but it's more likely that you will need to use the TV's app for 4k Netflix.
If your receiver supports HDMI ARC, connect the TV to the receiver via ARC and you'll get the audio to play through the receiver. If it doesn't, just connect the TV to the receiver via optical and you'll be all set.
Hi. Since the 8500 series doesn't meet the HDR standards, will I still be able to watch Amazon or Netflix in HDR, or will I see the difference? It seems it just doesn't meet the standards brightness-wise, but everything else should be fine.
Yes, you'll be able to watch HDR media. The JS8500 will still brighten the image the way HDR TVs do, but not as much as those TVs that meet the full spec. The difference likely won't be very noticeable.
Recently purchased the 65" Samsung JS8500 primarily based off the great information found here which was highly appreciated. I configured the TV per the settings provided. Everything looks very good except for one issue that is driving me crazy and I am not sure how to solve. I noticed when watching my favorite college basketball team that the shade of blue on the jerseys changes dramatically depending on the TV view on screen. If a closeup of any player is shown the blue looks like a bright, royal blue like I would expect. When the TV view backs out and shows a wider angle, so like half court while the ball is in play, the blue looks much, much darker and almost navy. Is this normal or is there a setting to accurately reflect the same shade of blue in both cases? Thank you!
This is due to the source. Either because of slightly different camera settings/lightning conditions or because of the show production. For a same shade of blue, the TV will always produce the same color.
Is there a way to disable voice commands for this TV and its apps? I love the TV but the idea of Samsung constantly listening to me, and then shipping my conversations off to third parties, concerns me. Should I not be concerned about this?
You can disable voice recognition under 'Menu - Smart Hub - Terms & Policy - Voice Recognition Services - Disable'.
I bought the 8500 and love the picture, especially with 4K content from Netflix and Amazon Video. I've used a number of suggested setting and right now am using a calibrated setting I found on the AVS Forum.
I'm commenting here to say that based on my experience - and that of dozens of others on forums - that ARC simply does not work well on this set. Anynet+CEC is really buggy when used with HDMI-ARC settings on receivers. After literally days of trying to get it to work, including letting Samsung manage my set remotely and sending me a replacement One Connect Mini, I gave up and disabled Anynet+CEC on the TV and added an optical cable from the TV to my receiver to get audio from the apps.
It means I have to manually switch my receiver to the optical audio input for TV Audio, but it's better than dealing with Samsung's crappy implementation of ARC.
Thanks for letting us know! We haven't had that issue ourselves, and other readers will appreciate knowing about this potential problem.
I understand that the 65-inch version of this TV has an IPS panel and thus will have better viewing angles, but also weaker blacks and contrast. I'll mainly be using the TV to watch sports, so my main concern is whether the response time and gray uniformity will be similar to the version reviewed which has a VA panel.
All of the Samsung JS8500 (including the UN65JS8500) feature a VA panel. Expect similar results, but note the gray uniformity may vary on a unit by unit basis.
How is this TV for the new PS4 pro, is the HDR good enough thanks.
Since we don't have this TV in our labs anymore, we can only judge it with the information that we got on record and from this information, we know HDR should 'looks good' on it but we don't know if input lag is going to be low enough to be playable unfortunately, since we could not test it.
So I can't find a good answer to my question. Hopefully you have an answer. What is the difference between the device types under source? My main interest is what's different between PC and game? Does pc also have low input lag? With both having uhd color on. Does both supper chroma subsample of 4:4:4 at 60 hz?
I do notice that pc loses alot of its options while game keeps it all. I thought less options would mean faster input lag. The port is named PC but you still have to pick device type and that's where I get no answer.
Most devices types do nothing and are just there for the labeling. Even game does nothing, it doesn't reduce the input lag (it is not the same thing as turning on game mode, under System - General). PC is different though, which is why the screen flashes when you hover over PC in the selection. The input lag is not as low as the real game mode, but it supports 4:4:4.
I am trying to decide between purchasing a JS8500 and a JU7100. Should I be concerned over the viewing angle difference between the JS8500 (16 degrees) and the JU7100 (19 degrees)? I have a standard-sized sofa located directly in front of the TV at a distance of 12 ft. I have a chair on each side of the sofa (on the same axis, about 2 ft away). When sitting on these side chairs I am content with the viewing angle on my 7-year old Sony KDL-W3000 LCD TV. Do you believe the JS8500 or JU7100 would perform much differently than my old TV? And should the +3 degree viewing angle advantage of the JU7100 be an important consideration?
No, you can consider them the same as far as viewing angle goes. Your old Sony probably has a VA panel, which should have about the same viewing angle (more or less).
I am considering the Samsung JS8500, but was interested in the Vizio M65-C1, mainly because of the price. I have looked both at my local Best Buy and using their demo feed, and I can't tell much difference. I like watching sports and my kids like video games. Which one would better suit my needs and uses, aside from the fact the Vizio is half the price? Is it half the quality?
You get a few nice extras with the JS8500. It has better smart features, a point-and-click remote, can display more colors, and has a glossy screen finish, which helps cut down on reflected ambient light. It also has better overall picture, particularly in terms of motion blur and gray uniformity.
That said, and especially if you're balking at the price, it's more than likely the M65 will work fine for your needs. It's a very good TV, and will look good for what you want to watch.
If you want something a little better and that isn't as expensive as the JS8500, the Samsung JU7100 is a nice halfway point between the two.
Are you going to test the JS8600? Any thoughts on that model?
We expect it's the same as the JS8500, but larger, and without 3D. It also likely has worse uniformity, just because it's bigger. Because it's so similar and we still have other TVs to get to, we're not going to be reviewing it.
I'm going to be purchasing a new TV within the next month. I've narrowed it down to either a Samsung 65JS8500 or 65JS9000. It'll be used for watching Blu-Rays/streams/hockey, and to play games (PS4). I'm not a hardcore gamer (i.e. need the absolute best regardless of cost), but I do want good performance.
I'll be seated approximately 10' away, but in all likelihood I'll have it mounted to the wall with an extendable mount that'll put the distance closer to 8'.
Both TVs are really good options, and have nearly identical picture quality. The JS8500 has slightly more input lag, but since it's not curved, it's a good deal cheaper.
Since it's cheaper and flat TVs are a bit easier to mount, we recommend taking the Samsung JS8500.
Did you test that the 3D was playing in some form of 24p (48hz or 96hz)?
I've read a couple places online that the JS8500 and the JU7100 playback 3D at 60 hz or 120 hz with some sort of motion compensation.
We just tested this and they have a bug that does make the video interpolated much of the time. The easiest fix we found was to set Auto Motion Plus to 'Custom' and set both sliders to 0. You'll get no interpolation that way.
So my parents are looking to upgrade their main den TV relatively soon (3-4months). Is the 65" JS8500 worth the extra $700 compared to the 65" JU7100? In my research, they're the best products on the market for their needs and budget and really overall in terms of 2015 TV models. Do you think that for use as a daily shows/ movies/sports TV, saving the $700 and going with the JU7100 is best and using the savings towards soundbar / home theater system, or is the JS8500 really worth the extra cost? Do you think any other models are better?
Lastly, have you ever considered reviewing soundbars and home theater speakers?
If you wouldn't buy a sound system if you opted for the JS8500, go for the JU7100 + sound system instead. While the upgrade to the JS8500 is worth it, the difference between these two TVs is less than what a sound system will give you in your overall TV experience. Unfortunately, we have no plan on testing sound bars or speakers anytime soon. We prefer to improve our TV reviews instead.
I bought the JS8500 and this is an amazing TV. I heard that HDMI 2.0a is going to come out and that it will be available via a firmware update, with that being said how will I know that my TV will have it, and say I do get it, will there be a way to confirm that by checking on the TV?
Samsung's SUHD TVs, including your JS8500, are going to get the HDMI 2.0a update. There's currently no way to see the HDMI version, but just keep installing the updates Samsung sends out and you'll get it.
Hello. I bought this TV a couple of months ago and I love it. One question: I have a PS4 and Xbox One hooked up to it, and also my DirecTV. Does it matter which HDMI port I use for each device? Thanks!
Hello, and thank you for the in-depth review of the JS8500. It was very helpful in my decision to buy the 55" model. This is the first HDTV that I have owned and I am still learning all the nuances. My 32" JVC lasted nearly 20 years and still had great picture, but HD came calling after I upgraded my DirecTV receiver. So this is a new adventure for me, and any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
I have a couple of questions.
First, I just can't seem to get the color set to my liking. I don't like the over-saturated look and I like red to be red, blue to be blue, and flesh tones to be as close to real looking as possible. I watch a lot of sports and your general TV viewing of movies, weekly shows, and news. The salesman said to use the dynamic setting for just about everything, but you can only adjust the color using the R/G slider. Although I do have the Cinema Black set to 'On'. I used the movie setting and your calibration settings, however, the screen looked to me like I am looking through a clear shower curtain. I guess that is the soap opera affect I have read about. Would it be a good idea to use a calibration DVD or does it make a difference? If so, what would you recommend and can that be done if I do not have a Blu-ray or DVD player?
My second question concerns sound. I bought the Samsung HW-J6500 sound bar. What is the best way to hook it up to the TV? Currently, I have it connected to the one connect box with the supplied optical cable and an Amazon Basics HDMI cable. Can both cables be connected at the same time?
Which is the best way to have the sound set up? On the sound bar there are options for D.IN (the optical cable - sound emits, but lower vol.), Aux, HDMI (no sound from sound bar on this setting), BT, TV (sets it so I can use the DirecTV remote to adjust sound and make sounds louder, and says 'TV SoundConnect'. This also changes the speaker select setting on the TV to TV SoundConnect and USB. I have it currently set to the TV option, which seems to give me the loudest volume. But will that use the sound bar in the best way?
I do apologize for the lengthiness of my questions, but I just want to understand everything so I can have the best possible experience with this TV.
Thank you so much for any assistance, and have a great day!
The soap opera effect refers to movement that looks smoother than normal, so not the shower curtain look you are experiencing. What's most likely is that you're just not used to the natural look we calibrate for, which would be why everything looks a bit faded. Give it a couple of days and see if you adjust. A calibration disc likely won't get you very different results.
Optical will work best for what you're looking to do. Just output the TV's audio to the soundbar that way and you'll be all set.
TV Soundconnect is a Bluetooth option, so no need to use that for your setup. We haven't tested that soundbar to know if there is a particular setting that would be better for sound quality, but using the TV option sounds like it will be best.
Hello. I currently have the 55" Sony X850B, and I was thinking about selling it and getting the Samsung JS8500 (65"). My question is, which TV has better input lag for gaming? I like the Samsung JS8500's picture quality very much, but I'm curious to know whether the gaming on this TV is better than the TV I currently have, or if it's about the same.
Also, does having an HDR-ready TV really matter? I was also looking at the Samsung JU7100 as a possible buy, because it does have all the needs I'm looking for as well.
We haven't tested the X850B, so we can't say which of those two TVs has less input lag.
HDR is a nice extra, but it's not really necessary. HDR is also in its early adapters phase, so there's no guarantee that the JS8500 will do full HDR once the spec has been decided.
If you find the idea of HDR appealing enough to get the JS8500, go for it - it's a great TV. If you don't care all that much, the JU7100 will be great for you.
I realize that the Samsung JS8500 is basically the replacement for the HU8550 but which would you purchase. You rate the HU8550 higher across the board but it is also last year's model.
The scores from past reviews cant be directly compared to recent ones because we change our tests. Indeed the HU8550 is almost the same as the JS8500. The only major difference is the JS8500 has a wider color gamut.
Hello. I'm currently thinking about upgrading my TV, and the TV I was considering was the Samsung JS8500. I currently have the Sony X850B, and it's a good TV, but I'm trying to find out whether the input lag on the JS8500 is better than the Sony X850B, because I do heavy sports gaming and some action gaming. Please help. I also want to know which would be the better buy, the Samsung JS8500 or the JU7100?
We haven't tested the X850B, so we don't know what its input lag is. The JS8500's is decently low, though.
Both of those TVs are very good - mostly identical - but the JS8500 has slightly better overall picture, and more extra features (HDR, ability to display more colors than average). The JU7100 is better bang for the buck, but the JS8500 is better overall. You should choose according to which of those prospects you prefer.
We're looking to replace our main living room TV soon. I've narrowed it down to the 55" JS8500 or the 60" JU7100. We mainly watch TV via DirecTV, but we watch a lot of hockey and soccer. My main concern is "ghosting" of the players on the bright white surface of a hockey rink. What are your thoughts? Any "ghosting" or shadowing or whatever the appropriate term is, is a deal breaker for me. Thanks for the input. I really appreciate the site!
Every LED TV has this problem at least a little bit, but the JS8500 and JU7100 are better than most, so you shouldn't worry. Your sports will look as good as they can on either.
Most people will prefer the extra 5" of the JU7100 over the slight picture improvement of the JS8500, so get the JU7100.
I just received my SUHD JS8500 65". Upon showing a new Netflix movie for the very first time, I noticed that the picture does not have the usual "movie feel" or "movie quality" to it. It just looks very bright, very sharp, very contrasty, and looks like an HD camcorder video.
I thought it was the way this particular movie was shot or color keyed. I then played another movie, different genre and studio, and saw the same thing. So I thought my settings were off. I played around with all the settings, turned things on and off, dialed them up and down, but couldn't get the desired effect I was looking for.
Then I played those two movies on my computer, and the "movie feel" was there. WTH?
It looks good, but just in a weird way that I am not accustomed to. It's hard to explain. Is this normal with newer TV sets? The one I am replacing was a top of the line Sharp LCD from 10 years ago.
It does sound like it's just a settings issue. Try using our recommended settings and see if you like the look better.
Give yourself a few days to adjust, and if you still don't like the look, email us back and we'll help you figure out better settings for your taste.
Your reviews are amazing! Is there a difference between the Samsung FXZA residential models and FAU/CA commercial models being sold on numerous websites online?
No. The 'FXZA' you see on some websites is really just a tracking code used by Samsung, and doesn't mean anything for you. The FAU/CA code just appears to be a part of an upselling trick, where people who purchase those models are then encouraged to upgrade to the pricier residential/domestic sets.
We recommend you don't buy from sites that use that trick, and go instead with an authorized reseller. Those stores won't try that kind of trick.
Why do you review the Samsung JS9000 but not the JS9100? What are the differences? Same thing with the JS8500 vs the JS8600 - what are the differences? I can find the 9100 and 8600 on Samsung's website, but not the 9000 or 8500. Please clear this up. Thank you.
They're equivalent, but without 3D and bigger sizes.
Hey. I was interested in purchasing the Samsung in either purchasing the Samsung JS8500 or the Samsung JS9000. I do a lot of sports gaming most of the time and I wanted a TV that does well with both motion blur and input lag.
I have been doing a lot of research and what I have found out is, yeah, these two TVs have good input lag and motion blur, but when you put Samsung TVs in game mode, there is a downgrade in the quality of the graphics.
So what I wanna know is, is the downgrade in the quality of the graphics with gaming bad to where you significantly notice the difference? Can you still mess around with the picture settings after you put the TV in game mode? I currently have a Sony X850B and when I put it in game mode I love the gaming experience I get from it. I'm really considering upgrading TVs, but I don't want to do it if the Samsung graphics noticeably downgrade in game mode.
There's not really an objective downgrade in quality. The picture just becomes less processed, which means the image is really more accurate. You can still make some alterations in game mode, although some options are blocked off.
Samsung TVs still look great in game mode, and they have good performance. If you plan on upgrading, either of those TVs is well worth getting.
I have been looking at TV's for quite some time now and I am really hoping you can help me find the best choice.
I have been stuck between a few different models. The Samsung JU7100 fits the price range really well, But I am also willing to stretch to the JS8500.
I would prefer the 60" JU7100, but would the 55" JS8500 truly make all the difference? I stream movies from Netflix and I'm big on video games. Curved or not doesn't really bother me much, except that your review of the JU7500 seems to be a great choice for what I may be looking for.
Which of the three would be the best choice in regards to great picture quality, low input lag, and minimal motion blur? Your help would be greatly appreciated, and I enjoy all the great information on your site. Thanks for everything!
The very best choice is the JU7500, just because it has the lowest input lag and least motion blur of the three. But, if you're put off by the price, the JU7100 is also a very good option, and you would not be disappointed if you chose it instead.
The JS8500 isn't the best choice for gaming. Its input lag is a bit higher than the other two options, and it doesn't have much less blur than the JU7100. For the price increase, it's not worth it for you.
I went to get a UN55JS8500 for $1,600 and saw they had a display model 55HU8550 for $750 and am tempted. Motion blur is one thing I'm trying to minimize. I saw you guys ran the test on an HU8550, but I didn't see the actual response time and overshoot. Do you still have that data? That would help me make a decision. Thanks for the site. Excellent work!
We were using a different testing method at that time, so we don't have response time or overshoot numbers. We expect that they would be in the same ballpark as the Samsung JS8500.
I recently purchased the JS8500 65" and it's amazing. I have been using a Harmony Universal Remote to run my home entertainment center prior to his purchase. The JS8500 has the pointer remote and kind or seems like a limited universal remote, but does not appear to do as much as I need it to do to get rid of the Harmony (run Apple TV). Am I missing something basic to set it up so the JS remote controls everything and I can ditch my Harmony? Any and all solutions to consolidating to a one remote system again are welcomed.
Components to be controlled: JS8500, Apple TV, Denon AVR (older, no HDMI inputs/outputs), LG Blu-ray player, Cox STB (slave) for Contour Multi-room DVR.
Based on our experience trying to set up its 'universal' features, the Samsung pointer remote won't be able to do everything you want it to. It looks like it's only good for connecting a couple of devices at a time, and the Apple TV is not one of them.
You're better off sticking with your Harmony remote.
I play FPS games competitively. I also watch movies on my TV and want the best quality. The input lag on this TV isn't as good as the JU7100 but I do not want my score to drop playing Call of Duty. Will buying the 8500 decrease my k/d ratio?
I know that computer monitors have 6ms and below and do not want to be at a disadvantage. Quality is my number one concern.
Your monitor has a higher input lag than 6ms. You are probably confusing response time and input lag, it is not the same thing. Most of the people wouldn't notice the 36.9 ms of input lag the JS8500 has but if you play FPS games competitively, the less lag the better. In that case the JU7100 would be the best while still having a great picture for movies. If we may, have you considered the JU7500? It is about the same price as the JS8500 for a 55" or even lower for a 65" size. It is the best gaming TV we have reviewed so far with a very low input lag of 21.1 ms and it has the least amount of motion blur compared to the other two. That may help you to perceive things faster/better in your games.
I have an L-shaped couched with a lazy boy chair on the other side. My viewing range is between 12 - 14 Ft. Which TV would be best? The 65" JS8500, or should I go with a 70", given that I believe you said 4K diminishes at around 12'? Lastly, given the way my couches are set up, will a curved TV affect viewing range from the side enough that I should go for a flat screen?
A 70" TV would be better. Keep in mind that it's unlikely that you would notice 4k's extra detail from that distance even with a 70" TV, so you might also want to save money and get a 1080p set.
Take a look at this article, which offers comparisons of straight and curved TVs at different angles. It should help give you an idea of what a curved set would look like in your setup.
I am looking to replace my Sony KDL4100 TV with a new 48-50" set. We have a ZVOX sound system, which is fine for us, but is only 28", wide, so larger TV stands may not work. We watch Comcast cable, movies, sports, and Netflix. We sit 5-8 feet from the set. Money isn't a factor - good picture is. What about 4K? Can you recommend a set?
At that size, you'll be a bit far for 4k to make a difference. Your best choice is the Samsung UN50J6300. It has great picture quality for everything you're looking to watch, and while we don't have that size to measure, the stand should fit your setup.
I have an L-shaped couched with a lazy boy chair on the other side. My viewing range is between 12 - 14 Ft. Which TV would be best 65"JS8500 or should I go with a 70", given that I believe you said 4K diminishes at around 12'. Lastly given the way my couches are set up will a curved TV affect viewing range from the side enough to go for a flat screen?
Curved TVs are just slightly better at an angle but really not that much. The curve is mostly aesthetic. Get one if you like the look only. Also, take note that the JS8500 is not curved in the U.S.. Some online reviews say it is but that is true only outside of the U.S.. As for the size of the TV, 5" is not much of an increase in those sizes but at your distance the bigger the better. Since you are far away of the screen, a 1080p TV of 75" like the good J6300 would fall well within your budget and the increase in size would be significant. Of course, the picture quality is not on par with the JS8500 neither it offers the same features but it is still the best 1080p TV we have reviewed this year.
I'm trying to decide between the JS8500 and one of the Sonys (850C or 900C), based on room brightness. The room can be bright during the day, with a window on the side a few feet away and a window in front of the TV twenty or twenty-five feet away. None of these windows has direct sunlight at times when the TV is used.
Is Samsung or Sony a better option when considering glare and reflection and bright rooms?
And thank you for the best website going for evaluating TVs.
Get the X850C. Its screen finish is better than the JS8500 when it comes to dealing with light opposite the TV, and it has deeper blacks than the X900C.
I am going to replace my 8 year old 40" Sony tv soon and need a couple of suggestions. Cost isn't a real consideration great picture is. I would like a set in the 48" to 55" range. We sit 5' to 8' from the tv. Never in a dark room ,always a lamp or two on. We have Comcast xfinity x1 cable and watch mostly network shows, sports (especially hockey) movies, Netflix, and Amazon. Should I get a 4K set? Does the upscaling to 4K from 1080 or 720 make the picture better or worse? Thanks for your help
4k is really only worth getting if you'll be watching 4k video. Amazon and Netflix both offer 4k content, so it might be worth it for you (provided you have enough bandwidth to play it). You're at a good distance for a 55" 4k TV.
For upscaling, it depends. If you get a TV with good upscaling (Samsung, Sony, LG), then the picture should look about the same as it would in its native resolution. If you get a TV with poor upscaling (Vizio TVs aren't great for 720p and 480p), it will look a bit worse.
I'm in a similar situation to the October 29, 2015 poster above. I currently have an 8-year old 58" Panasonic plasma that is about ready to give up the ghost. It's in a family room with a bank of three large windows opposite the TV about 18 feet away. If that weren't bad enough there are two large skylights in the room, one of which is about four feet directly in front of the TV. With this amount of both direct and reflected light during the daytime, would you still think that the X850C would provide a significant advantage over the JS8500, or will daytime viewing be problematic regardless? And if that’s the case, might it be better to go with the overall superior TV in the JS8500 for better night time viewing?
Thanks...your reviews and Q & A's are most helpful!!
You're going to have lots of reflections regardless, but the lights opposite the TV will be a bigger distraction on the JS8500. Given that the difference in picture quality isn't really that big, we recommend the X850C for your setup.
Hi there, I just got the new firmware update 1422 and I don't see any noticeable difference. Can you tell me what was the update for, and most importantly, are my HDMI inputs now HDMI 2.0a?
There aren't any notes included with the firmware update, so we don't know what the difference is. According to Samsung, though, the update to HDMI 2.0a should already be out, so your ports should be 2.0a.
Hi, I bought a Definitive Technology W Studio sound bar to use with my JS8500. This soundbar does not support ARC. For optimal sound, should I be connecting my cable box/Blu-ray HDMI directly to the sound bar and passing these through from the sound bar to TV? Or should I instead connect cable/Blu-ray directly to TV and use an optical audio output connection to the soundbar?
I guess my question is, can the JS8500 pass a Dolby Digital/DTS multi channel signal via optical audio output? Thanks.
We just got a new receiver and confirmed that the JS8500 can pass both DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 via optical. You can do whichever setup you like.
So I currently have a plasma Samsung tv from about 8 years ago. I am looking to purchase either the JS8500 or the JU7100. The cost is currently 2300 and 2500 so I would assume I should be going with the JS8500 as 200 bucks extra who cares but anyway. My couch is 10 feet from the wall. I use ps4 and watch TV and movies on it. Is it worth the 2500 bucks to purchase this for basically those 3 things? I do like clarity of the picture obviously but when will I be acutally able to use the 4k?
4k would be worth it depending on the size of the TV. At that viewing distance, the TV would need to be 70" in size to get the full benefit of 4k. Anything smaller and chances are that you won't see the difference from an 1080p resolution. 4k contents are available now through streaming services (from TV apps, unfortunately not on PS4 yet) and 4k blu-ray players are also coming soon. The JS8500 is worth it for a better color gamut, uniformity and HDR compatibility. If those features doesn't interest you, you can save the money and go with the JU7100.
I understand from previous postings that for bright rooms you recommend the Sony X850C over the Samsung JS8500. I am a bit confused about the quantitative basis for this, since in the Reflections section for bright rooms the rating of the Sony is 7.9 vice the Samsung’s seemingly superior 9.2. What am I misinterpreting here?
That score is based on the max luminosity of the screen. The Samsung JS8500 can indeed get a lot brighter. But the problem is the glossy finish. It is great to reduce the ambient reflections (which is why the JS8500 overall has a higher score for reflections), but if you have a bright object directly in your reflection path (like a window), it is very disturbing. So if you have a bright room with indirect reflections, get the JS8500. But for direct ones, the X850C's semi-gloss finish is better.
Hi, I've recently purchased the JS8500 along with a Bose Lifestyle Soundtouch 535. It is my understanding that traditionally for the best audio quality, you should run all of your components through the receiver, and then pass onto the television. However, the 535 is not compatible with 4k. From what I've read it appears the JS8500 passes along 5.1 via ARC or Optical. My questions are:
1. Am I losing any audio quality by running everything through the TV and then onto the receiver or does the TV pass through perfectly all audio (i.e. Dolby TrueHD or Atmos)? Are there any types that it cannot pass?
2. Further, what audio mode should I have the TV set for in order for the best pass through?
3. Also, is Optical or ARC preferred? Further, what audio mode should I have the TV set for in order for the best pass through?
4. In the event that I am losing quality by running through the television, what options do I have outside of returning the system for a 4k receiver?
1) We've only tested it with standard 5.1 Dolby Digital and DTS signals, so we can't confirm or deny if Dolby TrueHD or Atmos passthrough. 2) The audio mode of the TV isn't active when using audio passthrough so don't worry about this, just set the signal to 'Bitstream' on the TV. 3) Both works about the same. HDMI ARC has the advantage of also being able to control the receiver via the TV's remote (via CEC). 4) Another solution is if you have optical outputs on your devices and enough optical inputs on the receiver, run your devices audio directly to the receiver and bypass the TV this way.
I'm considering the JS8500 vs. the JU7100. I have no interest in 3D or gaming. Movies and sports for me. I live in the sticks with a 10 mb or less internet connection so I'm very interested in the up scaling abilities of both TV's. A store sales rep says the 8500 is much better than the 7100 in that regard. I'm 10' away in a dark home theater room, and am also considering the J6300 for a 1080 option as I'm reading that I may not notice the difference between that and 4K at 10'. I could move closer. I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Upscaling is the same on both of them. The JS8500 is a better TV though, in other aspects. So if money is not an issue, get the JS8500. At 10 feet, it depends on the size you are looking at. For a 65", you will a see a slight difference when watching 4k. For a 55", you are better sticking to a 1080p TV at that distance.
First off, I would like to commend and thank you for the awesome job you guys do! I am in the market for a new tv and would appreciate some advice given my seating distance. We are about 12' away. Was leaning towards a 65 JS8500. But given the distance Should I consider getting a 65" J6300? Also like the 65 JU7100. Which one would you recommend and have the best picture quality at 12'? Main use will be Sports, Cable, Netflix, Blue Ray.
At 12 feet, the benefit of 4k is borderline. But if you don't mind the price, the JS8500 is still the best choice because the other aspects of the picture quality are still better than other TVs.
If you had a choice between the Sony X810C and this TV, which one would you pick, and why?
Price aside, the JS8500 offers more, so choose that. You get great overall picture quality, decent gaming performance, HDR, and the ability to display a wider range of colors.
If cost is important, get the 55" X810C. The basic picture quality (contrast, motion blur, uniformity, etc) is about the same as what you get with the JS8500, so you're really only missing out on things like the wide color gamut and HDR.
I am concerned about the judder issue with Samsungs in general. Really like the TVs, but will be watching movies on cable box, as well as Netflix. Is this a noticeable issue?
Most people won't notice it, but some do. Take a look at the video here and see if the judder bothers you. If it does, then getting a TV that can do judder-free 24p over 60 hz is a good idea. If not, then there's no need to worry about it.
It's worth noting that 120 hz Samsung TVs are sometimes able to detect 24p video inside a 60 hz signal. They're just inconsistent in doing so, which we consider a failure of our test.
First off, thank you for taking the time to review this television. I recently bought the JS7000 model from Best Buy and used the recommended settings noted on your review on the JS7000. My problem is when watching sports on the TV, in particular basketball, there is always a little smudge before the image gets clear. I'm not sure if this is because of the refresh rate, or if it has to do with the upscaling that is also taking place but it can get annoying at times. My question is this, what can I do to fix this? Also, I'm thinking of switching the the JS8500 model since that one has a higher refresh rate. Please let me know what you think. Your feedback is much appreciated. Thanks!
The smudge you are referring to is not an effect of the TV refresh rate. A 120Hz tv would only let you use image interpolation (and that may introduce other artifacts in sports). Try to disable all video processing options from the picture menu (Digital Clean View, MPEG Noise Filter and Dynamic Contrast). If it isn't better, try the game mode when watching sports.
Hi First I'd like to say thank you for the wealth of information provided. Because of this, I made the choice of purchasing the Samsung 55JS8500.
I love the television. My question is this: I've been watching 4K youtube videos on the Smart Hub and noticed that when the menus for the video comes up (play button, fast forward, etc), the screen is brighter. When the menus go away, the screen dims a bit. Why is that? Is it YouTube's programming, or is it a setting that I have made?
It's a setting. Try disabling 'Dynamic Contrast' and 'Smart LED.' That should correct the issue.
Hi. I was considering this TV, but it looks like it is not good at all for gaming. We watch a lot of movies on DirecTV and Vudu/Netflix, plus I game a lot on Xbox One. I would also like to have 3D. We sit about nine feet from the TV. Is there a set you can recommend? Thanks in advance!
This is really a great TV for gaming. There's not much blur on fast movement, and the amount of input lag is really quite low - a bit higher than the very best gaming TVs, but still low enough that almost nobody will notice lag.
The JS8500 really should be fine for you, but if you want a bit less blur and input lag and don't mind giving up HDR and the ability to display a wider range of colors, get the Samsung JU7500. If you want HDR and the wide color gamut, get the Samsung JS9000.
Hi there! I'm loving this set but have come across a very irritating issue. I set Smart LED to low in PC mode and it works fine until I either switch inputs or turn off the set after which it will reset. This setting will just not stick. Do you know of a workaround? I would even be willing to fix this via the service menu. Please advise.
We have the same issue with our JS8500. It doesn't happen with the JS9000, though, so we expect that it is a bug, and might be corrected in an update.
I am currently using JS8500 now. When I watch movies by connecting PC, I can notice the obvious judder. But the thing is, I am not sure whether it bothers me or not. I know this is a good TV, and also I read a lot of bad reviews for the Sony X850C. But the X850C is the only one which can do judder-free 24p playback. What am I supposed to do? Is there anything I can do from a setting to adjust the judder a bit? Thank you!
There are a couple of things you could do, but neither is ideal. If your PC's graphics settings allow it, you could make it output a 24 hz signal to the TV whenever you want to watch a movie. The TV could then play the movie without judder. Regularly changing settings like this would probably be annoying.
You could also enable 'Auto Motion Plus,' which would interpolate the video and smooth the judder away. This would add the 'soap opera effect,' though, which some people don't like.
If you're not sure whether 24p judder bothers you, it probably doesn't bother you, so don't worry about it too much. Just enjoy your TV!
Great information you provide, thanks. I purchased the JS8500 65" black Friday week. The very first night after they set it up for me I was watching a hockey game. I noticed a vertical gray (different color than the ice) line when the motion was moving left-right or vice versa. I switched to a different hockey game, same thing. I put my Xbox 360 hockey game on, same thing - gray bands. I noticed then on Blades of Glory when the scene was on the ice too. I bought the tv for the main reason of watching hockey on it. I can not live with the discolored band (it appears in the same spot most of the time. I called Samsung and they took control of the tv and couldn't see any vertical lines on their side. The store said they would replace it when they get more in. Do you think I just have a poor unit or is this part of the gray uniformity that I may get the same problem when watching hockey on a new unit? Thanks for your advice.
What you see is called banding. There was no significant banding issue on the JS8500 we reviewed but then screen uniformity is different from TV to TV. The JS8500 are made with good quality panels so hopefully you will get luckier with a replacement.
I am trying to find a set of kid sized 3D glasses to use with this TV. The Samsung SSG-5150GB glasses I have are way to big, and even with a retaining loop on the back they don't fit.
Kid-sized glasses I have researched include:
Sony TDG-BR50/L : Kid sized, but cant tell if compatible with JS8500
Quantum3D G7 : Kid sized, claim to be universal, reviews indicate not universal, cant get clear answer on Samsung compatibility.
Samsung SSG-2200KR : Kid sized, not compatible with current Samsung TVs
PlayStation 3D Glasses : Cant tell if child size, don't think so.
Are you aware of any small/youth sized bluetooth active 3d glasses compatible with the JS8500?
As per a Samsung representative, they don't have kid size 3D glasses for the JS8500. The Quantum3D website specifically says that the Quantum3D G7 glasses for kids works with the Samsung JS8500 TV so that would be your best bet (we haven't tried those though).
Thank you for this excellent review. I'm between the 8500 and the Sony XBR65X850C. My problem with the Samsungs I've seen at Best Buy is the color appears overly bright and vibrant, ie unnatural. I don't understand how Samsung gets a higher color rating than Sony, despite the fuller color spectrum on Samsung and perhaps better grays. Is natural non-pastel color and lighting taken into account? Is it the color settings used on the demonstration to make it look overly vibrant or is it something some people just don't mind or get used to over time? Sony's colors on the demonstration appear more natural to me. I would get the Sony XBR65X930C if it didn't look so odd to me as a TV with the speakers on the side, making it look like a giant cell phone. I really want to like the 8500 based on your thorough review but would like to know if there is a setting modification to make the colors appear less artificial. What do you recommend?
Indeed, the stores use overly bright settings. Both the Samsung JS8500 and Sony x850c are able to display very similar, natural colors. The JS8500, once set in the 'Movie' picture mode, will instantly look a lot less over-saturated than when it is under the 'store mode'. You can try the 'Movie' picture mode in the store if you want to take a look. In the end, both TVs can display very similar colors with adjusted settings. The JS8500 would be a better choice because of it better motion and screen uniformity.
You guys do an amazing job. I'm facing the same problem and now in my 2nd unit. There are some 2 inch bright circles that are very noticeable on grey and light screens. Do you think these could improve with use? I'm deciding if getting another exchange or giving up on this model.
Seems like you have been very unlucky. The JS8500 shouldn't have a perfect screen uniformity but it shouldn't show any obvious problems neither. Unless you go for an even higher end model, a similarly priced TV won't give you a better chance to get better screen uniformity. If this is the only problem you have with the JS8500, try another one, again. It is unlikely that these problems go away with time. Can you send us a picture of the problem?
Hi. As many others have said, you all do an amazing job. I'm really glad I stumbled upon your website.
I recently bought the 65" Samsung JS8500 (it hasn't arrived yet). I had a 60" Samsung plasma TV, a PN60E7000. Unfortunately, the circuit boards gave out, and I'll spare you the details on trying to get it fixed. Anyway, my Plasma came with two pairs of 3D glasses and I was wondering whether these 3D glasses will also work with my new JS8500?
Basically, are all Samsung 3D glasses the same, regardless of model or TV type (Plasma vs. LED)? I'm going to sell my broken TV, and I am wondering if I should be keeping the extra 3D glasses from that TV or sell them along with it?
There's a chance they could work, but because 3D glasses technology wasn't standardized until fairly recently and we haven't tested those glasses with current models, we can't say for sure.
I have a 65" Samsung JS8500. I bought this model based on your reviews and I love it. I am installing the new Samsung K8500 4K Blu-ray player and wanted to know whether I need to use a certain HDMI port on the mini One connect box (HDMI 1, 2, 3, 4) and do I need to turn on the UHD color feature for that port for full 4K or 4K @ 60Hz Support?
Any of the HDMI inputs will work fine, and yes, you do need to enable the UHD color feature. HDR signals require more bandwidth, which is what that setting enables.
I just tested my tv using my iPhone camera at 240fps and used the tft.vanity.dk inputlag html test next to a known 11ms LCD monitor. I found I only had 76ms (65ms + 11ms for the monitor) using your calibration. If I turned the 10 point white balance off latency dropped by 5ms to 71ms and if I switched the color to native it dropped another 5ms to 66ms. In game mode I got 28ms. I am using an active display port to hdmi 2.0 adapter that supposedly adds a little latency as well. All test were done on a 65 inch js8500 @ 1080p. Could it be the 65 inch model is quicker or maybe the firmware has fixed things? I have a TH01 panel.
We are still getting in the mid 30 ms on ours, so your lower result is not due to a firmware update. In your case, it might be because you have the 65 inch. Different sizes have slightly different response time for some transitions, which results in different input lags as well (especially if the way to measure it is different).
You guys do a great job with your reviews! Now that both the Sony xbr55x810c and the Samsung un55js8500fxza have been out for awhile do you recommend one over the other. I recently purchased the Sony xbr55x810c, but am leaning towards taking it back for the Samsung un55js8500fxza. Are there any reasons that I should stick with the Sony?
The Samsung JS8500 is nearly better in all aspects, but the X810C comes close. The X810C doesn't have much edge on the Samsuung JS8500, besides supporting 1080@120Hz, and the better handling of 24p media.
Are the enhancements offered by the One Connect box SEK-3500, added to a 60" HU8550, which basically upgrades it to this set, the JS8500, worth the $400 price tag? Any news of a future One Connect upgrade for the HU8550 which might warrant holding off on the available 3500?
What you would get is a software upgrade that result in a faster interface, 4k streaming options and HDCP 2.2 compatibility so a 4k blu-ray player can be used with the TV. It won't change the performance of the hardware though such as how bright the TV can get or a reduction in motion blur for example. The asking price is steep but might be worth it if you are interested by a UHD 4k blu-ray player. We are not aware of any other One Connect Box to come.
Your site is the best review site on the internet. Thank you for all your work. I just purchased a 65 inch Samsung JS8500. I have ATT Uverse with 16mp speed (highest they offer). Do you know why watching shows such as Game of Thrones through Apple TV look twice as good as watching Game of Thrones through the ATT Uverse HBO channel?
Assuming the settings are the same, this sounds like an issue with the bandwidth of the stream, rather than your connection or TV. Different streaming services offer different quality.
I just bought this TV and it has a UH02 panel, not a TH01 like the one used in the review. I wish I knew the differences between the two panels (I've read they are both made by Samsung).
It seems they are both by Samsung, but as far to tell the difference, it is hard to do for us, since we never had JS8500 with the panel UH02. But in general, you should expect to get the same quality, even if it is not the same panel.
I'm a little confused with the Samsung JS8500 HDMI ports? My question is, I have the Xbox One S, it runs in 4k. what port should I be using? Do all 4 HDMI ports up-convert, or does the console bypass the up-convert of the TV? So I'm wondering if one of the ports is dedicated to 4k players. Thank you!
All ports will accept 4k and it is not the HDMI ports that does the upscaling, but the TV image processing unit that does it, no matter which HDMI port you are using. Also, if you set the video output resolution of the Xbox One S to 4k, the TV won't have to upscale anything, since the signal will already be in 4k.