What it is
Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
What it is
TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
What it is
Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
What it is
HDR Gaming. The TV will be used to play HDR video games using consoles that support it or on current generation gaming PCs. Xbox One S, PS4 Pro, GTX 10 series and AMD RX series graphics cards.
The raw picture quality of this 4k TV is pretty great, making it a good choice for watching movies. The blacks are good and the colors not too far off by default.
It doesn't have any fancy features (local dimming, extended color gamut, 3D), but unless you plan to be an early adopter of HDR content, it doesn't really matter. The peak brightness is quite low and reflections are average so can't combat glare on the screen. When viewed from the side the picture quality deteriorates.
What it is:
Configuration of the lights of the backlight.
When it matters:
Effectiveness of the local dimming.
Full-array/direct lighting is better for local dimming. As for the uniformity of the screen, it depends on the implementation. Some edge-lit TVs have more uniform blacks than some full-array TVs.
What it is:
The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 2% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
When it matters:
Bright highlights, present on screen for a short time; especially for SDR content.
What it is:
The maximum luminosity, even if only maintained for a short time, of a white square covering 50% of the screen, with the TV set to be as bright as possible. Measured with local dimming and over SDR signal.
It has a standard semi-gloss screen finish. You can see some rainbows around direct reflections, but nothing outrageous. The maximum luminosity of this TV is average, so it isn't ideal if you have a lot of windows.
It is a great choice for content with lots of motion. It doesn't have much motion blur which is great. It can play movies from all sources smoothly. It is also able to interpolate motion up to the panels native refresh rate of 120Hz.
The response time is great on nearly all transitions, so you won't notice a long trail following fast-moving objects. By default, this TV doesn't use PWM, so it is flicker-free. You can add one, if you prefer, by enabling 'Motionflow' - 'Clearness'. Check our Q&A section of our X930C review to see what all the values of that setting does.
You can control the movement of the picture exactly how you want. You can have judder free 24p for movies even over 60p if you set 'Motionflow' to 'TrueCinema' and 'Film Mode' to 'High'. You can also use motion interpolation to enhance the frame rate.
If you plan on connecting it to a PC, the Sony X810C accepts pretty much any signal you can throw at it. It has fairly low input lag which should be good for most people. It accepts a wide range of inputs.
While the 35 ms input lag isn't the best, very few gamers will notice it. Some people might even want to play with motion interpolation turned on (Motionflow) because the input lag when using this feature isn't that high.
When it matters:
Productivity and 60 fps gaming in 4k.
Just like with last year's Sony TVs, 1080p @ 120Hz produces little artifacts (lines), but this shouldn't be too bothersome while gaming. To be able to display 4:4:4, simply set the mode to game or computer. For 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4, you will also need to turn on 'HDMI Enhance', under 'Home' - 'Settings' - 'External Inputs'.
Good distortion numbers at low volumes, however, like the other Sony TVs we've tested, distortion increases noticeably as the volume approaches the speakers' limit. There's also noticeable aliasing under heavy load.
Good performance all-round. Good picture quality for movies, and handles motion well for sports. Video games are great too. Unfortunately the picture quality deteriorates quickly when viewed from the side, and the screen can't get very bright.
What it is
Movies in the dark. The TV will be used for watching movies in a controlled environment, directly in front, in a home theater way. Mostly only high quality content, like Blu-rays, UHD Blu-rays, streaming and a little bit of HDR.
What it is
TV Shows in a bright living room. The TV will be used in to watch TV shows, in a bright room during the day, from multiple viewing positions at different angles. The content watched has an average quality: cable, streaming, SD channels, etc.
Above average for watching TV in a bright room. Picture quality is good but doesn't handle reflections or glare very well due to low brightness. When viewed from the side the picture quality deteriorates. Good at upscaling lower quality content.
What it is
Video games. The TV will be used to play video games, directly in front, in a controlled light environment. Usually fast games, like online FPS, where motion blur and input lag is important.
I have both the 55“ and 65" version at my store, and for some odd reason the 65" has an IPS panel and the 55" has a VA. Will you be reviewing the 65"?
That's interesting. We reviewed the 55" and don't plan to buy the 65" unfortunately. Can you send us a close-up picture of the pixels to confirm the XBR65X850C is really IPS? If it turns out to be really the case, we will update the review to point out the differences between the 55" and 65" version. Thanks!
The 65" is indeed IPS. See the close-up of the pixels taken by one of our visitors (thanks!). This means the 65" has worse blacks than the 55", but better color accuracy at an angle. We don't expect other aspects of the picture quality to have a significant difference. If you need a wide viewing angle, then the 65" is a good buy. But otherwise, you will need to upgrade to the 65" X850C to have better blacks.
Sony 55X810C vs Samsung 55Ju7100 vs 55Ju6500 for color , movie & TV picture quality ?
Clearly, the Sony X810C has superior contrast but how does it all wash out in the end ?
They are all good TVs really, but the x810c is the better one. Not only it has one of the best contrast we measured for a LED TV, it also has one of the better gray uniformity. As far as color, they are about equals but colors seems to pop more on sets that have better contrast, like the x810c. If you are hesitating between those three, get the Sony.
In your opinion is the x850c worth the extra money over the x810c?
For most people, no, the extra cost of the X850C is probably not worth it.
The X850C has a few advantages:
Better build quality/design
Wide color gamut feature
Better out of the box color accuracy
But most people probably don't care about these, so the X810C is a better value.
The X810C scored higher than the X850C in our test bench due to the better gray uniformity (probably due to the direct lit backlight, vs the edge lit of the 55" X850C), and the slightly better motion blur (if you look at our response time measurements, you can see that the X810C use the overshoot technique).
GREAT WEBSITE! Fantastic reviews. We are getting ready to purchase our first 4k TV. Currently, we are looking at the Sony X810C. However, seeing multiple reviews, and your in-depth review, we are also considering the M-series Vizio. ( 60", 120hz model). The TV will be for movies, smart apps like UHD Netflix, and sports. We also have a PS4 that we use for Blu-ray and for playing some games. In your opinion, which TV would you lean towards (or possibly another?). We were looking to stick in the $1200-1400 range.
Get the Sony X810C. It has less blur on fast movement, so it's a better choice for playing video games, and it's also better at upscaling lower resolutions, which is handy for sports.
When you tested this TV at 1080p/120Hz from a PC, did you need to use any special settings for your custom resolution? When I created mine (in nVidia control panel) I just set the resolution and 120hz frequency and left everything else on automatic. It does work, but there are small dash artifacts that randomly flash on the screen every second or two. The picture is perfect in 4k/60hz/4:4:4 and I have tried a couple different HDMI cables.
Also, do you know if the image enhancements available in "game" mode have much impact on input lag? Thanks!
We've just noticed those same issues on our TV. They don't show up very well on bright colors, which is why we didn't see them initially. They're common to all the Sony X* series TVs, and there doesn't seem to be a solution.
Only MotionFlow should make a noticeable impact. The rest won't have too big of an effect on lag.
I recently purchased the Sony 810C 55 inch (thank you for the wonderful reviews btw!) and love the tv so far. I've been toying with the picture options to get the best picture possible. I read before buying that this tv has great upscaling ability. I was wondering if that is something that is always running or is something that needs to be turned on while changing picture settings? When I look in the menu I can't seem to find it.
Yes, the upscaling is always active. The native resolution of the TV is 4k so any signal that is displayed on the TV is upscaled to 4k. There isn't any settings for this.
I just recently bought the x810c 4k tv. I was just wondering how to enable 120hz on the tv. I tried to use the custom resolution utility program and using the nvidia control panel > change resolution > customize > create custom resolution > 120hz > still says no signal for both.
Plus i changed tv settings of the hdmi 3 port from standard to enhanced if that makes any difference
Using a 2.0 HDMI.
Aside from this i was wondering if I was able to enable 120hz strobbing on the tv cause it works on my 144hz gaming monitor.
'HDMI Enhance' is good to get 4k @ 60HZ @ 4:4:4. To get 1080p @ 120Hz, we do it the same way as you with the Nvidia control panel. To make sure the settings are fine, make sure you are in 1080p @ 60Hz first then click on the 'Customize' button. On the next screen just change the '60' to '120' and click 'Test'. It should work. To look sharp make sure you are in the 'Game' picture mode. If it doesn't work, make sure you are running the latest drivers for your graphic card. You might as well try a different HDMI cable. In the case it isn't any different, try to update the TV firmware or do a factory reset (write down your settings before). For 'strobbing' the backlight, you can't do it like a PC monitor but you can still play with how the backlight is working with 'Clearness' under the 'MotionFlow' setting at the cost of overall picture brightness.
Hi, I'm looking to purchase my first 4K TV, and have narrowed it down to the Sony XBR55X810C and the Samsung UN55JS8500. The Sony is $999 and the Samsung is $1700. Is there a big difference in picture quality or features? I don't care for 3D, so it's not a deal breaker for me. The TV will be used for watching sports, movies, Blu-ray, and and streaming.
The main benefit of the JS8500 is that you get HDR, and also the ability to display a wider range of colors. If those don't appeal much to you, get the X810C. The picture quality is otherwise pretty similar.
Update: The Sony x810c is compatible with some HDR files through its USB input and is able to play UHD blu-ray discs although the picture won't get any better. The x810c doesn't benefit from a wide color gamut neither can it get very bright.
Any further info on if the 65" is IPS and if so, what effect would that have vs. the 55"? Would that potentially help or hurt the television's review? Thanks!
No, we haven't confirmed whether it is IPS. If it is, it would score higher for viewing angle, but its contrast score would be a lot lower. Its black uniformity would likely also suffer.
Generally, we don't recommend IPS TVs. Most people sit more or less directly in front of their TVs, so the wider angle isn't worth sacrificing contrast for. Update: The 65" is indeed IPS.
I need an opinion if you don't mind.
I got a 65x850 as an open box for $1700. I've started to notice that I'm getting side bleeding/blooming on both the left and right sides of the TV. The guy at best buy said I should return it and get the 810, but when standing side by side with the TVs the 810 looks a little off in the colors and the whites.
What do you think I should do? I have two choices, call Sony and have them come out for warranty or return it and get a different TV. My price limit is $2000. What would you do if you where in my shoes? I just feel like I would be downgrading if I went to the 810.
The x810c has an IPS panel with poor blacks and contrast. Call Sony and stick with the x850c for that size.
Is there any reason to not turn on HDMI Enhance in Settings>Input Options for all the HDMI ports? The review said that turning on this option nets you 4K @ 60 hz @ chroma 4:4:4. Does it have some kind of negative effect on non-4K connections?
No, but there's no benefit. You might as well leave it off.
Hello, we're looking for a 65" 4K tv for our living room. It is a semi-bright to bright living room (during daylight). I noticed the review said this particular tv doesn't get too bright. I saw the M65 gets pretty bright so I thought that might be a good option. We stream most of our movies/sports and play some PS4. We also watch blue rays on the PS4. Is the brightness something to get hung up on? I saw where the Sony got better reviews for sports/video games, but wasn't sure about the brightness (Also didn't know if the motion blur for sports would matter as much since we stream the games). Thank you very much for the help!
If you also plan to watch TV in the dark, get the Vizio M. The 65" Sony x810c has an IPS panel with gray blacks and low contrast that won't give you a good picture quality in the dark (the 55" we reviewed have a VA panel that doesn't have this problem). If you never watch TV in the dark, then the brightness of the Sony isn't that much lower than the Vizio and you should go for the better motion and input lag of the Sony.
Hi. I just bought the X810C and I'm so far loving it, but my brain has been infested with this irksome bug named ”HDR". Now that I've bought a TV without it, it seems to be all I see or read about. My question is this: Will HDR be so amazing that if I go see a movie at a friend's house with the feature in play, then go home and watch the same movie on my HDR-less "slightly better than a cave painting" TV, will I be so overwhelmed with disgust at its inadequacy that it causes me to unload several 12 gauge shells into it? Thus ensuring no eyes will ever have to lay themselves upon its hideously dull and lifeless surface ever again? I'm trying to keep my mind from becoming biased against my archaic and already worthless TV. Thanks!
It is true that 'HDR' is the next big thing but we are not there yet. For now, you can count on your hands the content that has been released for it and the pace isn't about to burst. Although some 2015 TVs supports the new format, they are not expected to be the best at it (except for 2-3 expensive higher end models). So as it is, your x810c still has one of the best value on the market. You might be impressed by HDR in the future, but you have to keep in mind that HDR content, even when it becomes a little more widespread, will stay an enjoyment that is far and between.
I am experiencing a couple of problems with application functionality on my 810C. Can you confirm they worked on your review sample?
1) When opening the Google Play or Google Video app - nothing is shown. The app loads but it never displays any music/videos for me to play. Did these apps work for you?
2) Casting does not work. I can select the TV from the apps on my android phone (e.g. YouTube or play music) - but it doesn't actually connect to my TV and play.
Apart from that, awesome TV so far.
We don't have any media through Google Play, so that app is empty, but the Video app works the way it should. Similarly, casting worked perfectly from an Android phone (we tried Google Music and YouTube and had no issues).
Make sure your TV and the apps you have installed to it are all up to date.
If I have this TV hooked up to a PC, is it possible to set it to 1080p at 120hz instead of 4K at 60hz? If so, would I still need an HDMI 2.0 graphics card in order to display 1080p @ 120hz on this TV? Thanks! Great website. Very informative!
You can set it to 1080p120, and you don't need an HDMI 2.0 card.
Hi. I've been using 'Game' picture mode on this TV for my Xbox One and PS4 to lower input lag, but I'm not happy with the color settings, brightness, etc. I'd like to readjust some of the other settings, but what do I need to leave alone in order to maintain low input lag? I'm assuming MotionFlow and Cinemotion should remain off.
You can leave on whatever settings you want in Game mode. None have any major effects on input lag.
I need a large tv for my large living room. This will be the first large tv I ever have purchased (largest previously being a 32").
I am looking at 3 tvs, the Vizio M65-C1 ($1498), Samsung UN65JS8500 ($1799), and now the Sony XBR65X810C ($1498). The prices listed are the best prices I know I can get the tv for new right now.
I plan on watching sports on OTA antenna and via watchespn app. I also plan on watching a lot of netflix/hulu on it.
I am in a large living room with a lot of windows with solar screens on the outside and blinds on the windows can block out some of the light but certainly not to the degree blackout curtains do.
With this criteria I figured I needed 120Hz native refresh rate. I know the samsung is probably the better all around tv but is it worth the cost over the other two tvs? Is the brightness issue that big of a deal? Out of the 3 which would you recommend? is there another model you recommend? I need a tv that will last a long time. I know every tv is different but from a build quality standpoint of the tv itself and brand's longevity of their tvs I need to know which is more likely to stand the test of time.
The Vizio M has great value for the money but have some problems with lower resolution contents so it will be a problem with sports over the air. The 65" x810c has an IPS panel with poor blacks and contrast. It won't be much of a problem if you mostly watch TV with the lights on but it won't be great if you like to watch movies in the dark. The JS8500 is the brightest of the 3 and doesn't have the problems mentioned for the two other TVs. If you don't want to make compromises, its higher (and still good) price will be worth it. And don't worry about reliability, all 3 brands are good.
Looking at the Sony X810C 55" and the Vizio M60-C3. While I am leaning towards the Sony (gaming, sports), I don't see mention of Amazon Video offered on the TV's Android OS. Can the app be downloaded and used?
Update: Amazon Video is now available on the 2015 Sony smart TVs.
Got the 55 inch and noticed a color loss on each side of the screen while looking at dark images. Got it replaced by the retailer I bought it from on Amazon and the new tv does the same. Called Sony and they said its light bleed and is normal so I'm stuck with it. Is this fixable? Will it go away? Pretty bummed. I have pictures if interested.
It does fall within bad screen uniformity issues. Unfortunately, it is not fixable and won't go away with time. Our x810c also have this problem depending on what colors are displayed on screen. It is more obvious with uniform colors, like when on the 'Video' app of the TV and it seems to be worst with brown-beige colors. This particular color loss issue at the edges of the screen seems frequent on Sony TVs not to say that other brands don't have screen uniformity issues as well. Send us your pictures and we will be able to tell you if it is in the acceptable range.
You say the x810c uses overshoot for better motion blur, but your review shows Overshoot of 0ms.
Also, is overshoot something Sony could provide in a firmware update to improve motion on the x850c?
If you look at the image here, you'll see a slight overshoot on the 0-20%, 0-80%, and 20-80% transitions, but that the overshoot corrects itself pretty quickly. This gets it some of the quick transition granted by overshoot, without the trail you sometimes see when overshoot isn't implemented as well.
Overshoot has to do with the panel itself, and not the firmware, so an update wouldn't be able to add it to the X850C.
First off i would like to say I am first time tv buyer and this site has been very helpful. I am stuck between three tvs. The JU6500 55in, Sony x810c 55inch, and the JS8500 55inch. I will be using the tv mostly for streaming videos through netflix, hulu and youtube with the occasional gaming on ps4. It would be for my bedroom mounted on a wall. the room is fairly lit during the day and completely black at night unless I turn the lights on. Which is the best at viewing in the dark? I was wondering which of these would be the best option. I am a first time tv buyer so please keep the terms simple or explain them to me. Thank you!
In a pitch black room, the higher the native contrast ratio, the better the TV will look. In this case, the Sony X810C wins.
First of all, thank you so much for your detailed reviews on the TV's.
I am waiting to get my hands on my first 4K TV. I am kind of a fix between X810C, Samsung JS7000, and X850C.. I am really impressed with the Samsung's wide gamut feature and that is the only reason I am also looking at X850C. JS7000 is my last option because it is only 60 Hz. My priorities are Netflix Streaming, PC Connection for other online streaming, occasional sports. Can you help with the below?
1. I am impressed with wide color gamut of JS7000 but doubting the capabilities of the TV handling action based movies?
2. I am not able to compare X810C and X850C side by side. However I saw the X810C and X900C side by side and the latter was indeed looking richer. Is the X850C color reproduction the same as X900C?
Of the above choices, which would be better for Movies (Online Streaming) > Normal Cable stuffs > Sports (arranged by priority).
1) The JS7000 has judder in movies, so if you watch a lot of them, it isn't the best TV to buy. 2) Yes, both the X900C and X850C have about the same color capabilities. So if you can afford it, get the Sony X850C. But the X810C is still very good, even if it doesn't have the wide color gamut feature.
Hello. Thank you for the extensive ratings and recommendations. I have decided to purchase a Sony X810C. However, I am concerned I won't be able to watch any 4k streams from Netflix or Amazon, because my AVR is a pioneer 1124vsx, and does not support HDCP 2.2. Are you able to confirm this either way?
You can watch Netflix and Amazon 4k through the TV's streaming apps. The receiver won't make a difference with those.
I have a PS4 hooked to the 65x810c and it shows it runs at a 1080p resolution whenever I switch to HDMI 1, does that mean that the resolution is upscaled to 4k or is it just 1080p? Is YouTube and Netflix upscaled when it is at 1080p?
The resolution is always upscaled to 4k on a 4k TV, no matter what the source is. The '1080p' being listed when you use your PS4 is just the resolution of the input signal - the PS4 only outputs a 1080p signal.
No questions (yet), merely wanted to add my thanks as so many others have on the most informative site dealing with HD and 4K TV's. The published reviews and the tests, along with your feedback has been remarkably helpful in my decision to replace my 20+ year old 27" Trinitron (which still works, but it's not HD is it ?) Now that i have FIOS it's time to enter the 21st century. Besides the reviews etc, what really sets your site apart, is the Q & A. So many of the topics are things I never even thought of, and most sales people would be of little or no help. Thank you!
Oh and yes, I will be buying the x810c for all the reasons you spelled out.
Thank you very much for the kind words! We are glad to help. And no, the Sony 27" Trinitron that you had wasn't HD so the x810c is a huge upgrade.
I'm planning on purchasing a 65" TV tomorrow (only day off for a while). Narrowed down to the Vizio M65-C2 or Sony X810C. I am concerned about the Sony being an IPS panel. Is there a way I can tell by looking at the display in-store?
If you can look close enough at the screen while it is lit (taking a close photo is easiest, since just looking is a bit of a strain), you can tell by the shape of the pixels. If they look like little arrows, the TV is IPS. If they're rectangles, it's a VA TV.
We don't know a way to tell by looking at the box, unfortunately, but most stores will let you return within the first few days with no questions asked. You could always buy it and see at home. Update: The 65" is indeed IPS.
I am debating purchasing my first 4k TV. I get a discount through my friend, who is a top corporate manager at Best Buy headquarters. He was able to get two price quotes for me for each TV. The XBR65X850C at $1,900 and the XBR65X810C at $1,489. For the price difference, which do you think I should go for? Is the Triluminous really worth the extra money?
Yes. The 65" X810C is an IPS TV, which means you get a wider viewing angle, but weaker blacks. That's not ideal for most people, so spending the extra money to get the X850C, which has stronger blacks and a narrower viewing angle, is a good idea.
Hello, what are the best settings to optimize the picture for a clear crisp picture on the 810c 55"? I'm experiencing a lot of grain and distortion and just seem to not be able to get the settings right. I recently purchase this tv and the image quality is not matching the review.
Try our settings first. If you find that there is too much grain (that is not supposed to be in the source material), turn on both noise reduction options under the 'Clarity' menu. Also make sure that you are using the good aspect ratio (button labelled 'Wide' on the remote) so you don't get any stretching/distortion.
The images you provided for both the contrast section and resolution section make the X810C seem to have very dirty/washed looking colors. Why is the Sony X810C appearing to have less pop to its colors (washed) than the lower contrast Samsung TV's. This seems like a contradiction. Someone asked a similar question but I don't feel you answered it.
This is a good point. In July, we got a new tool to calibrate TVs called a spectro-photometer. It allows us to be more precise than before in our white balance calibration. We also do the 10-point white balance calibration now while we were only doing the 2-point in the past. Since then, the overall picture of our calibrated TVs look a little less warmer/reddish. While we did recalibrate all the TVs with the new tool, we didn't redo all the pictures for past reviews (new reviews are our priority). The pictures are still accurate for what they show though. They would just look a little less warm if we had to redo them.
Hi, could you tell me more about what Judder-free 24 via 60p and judder-free 24 via 60i mean? Is this what I need for my Comcast box in which I have the Triple Play and all the channels but some are not in HD. I am getting rid of my old tube TV for a HD TV. Everything I watch is on my Comcast set box and it has On Demand too. Don't need smart TV or 4k but if I need it for upscaling I will buy it. Why doesn't Samsung have that judder free above? What TV do you think I should buy? Also very important, I love Sports. I'm new at this. Thank you for your time.
Judder is an irregularity in the frame rate of the content playing. It appears like a little jump between one frame and the following. Ideally, TVs should detect judder and remove it but Samsung TVs aren't always able to do it correctly on 60p/60i signals (mostly cable TV and streaming). It isn't noticeable for most people so you shouldn't worry too much about it. It isn't a requirement and has nothing to do with standard or HD channels. The x810c would be a good TV for your needs and is always judder-free.
I am looking to buy a 65" 4k TV and have narrowed it down to the X810C, M65-C1, or JU6400. The JU6400 is the cheaper of the three by $200. My viewing distance is around 10 feet away in a living room with lots of windows. I mainly watch Fios TV, sports, and Blu-ray. Judder doesn't seem to bother me. Do you have a recommendation?
Get the M65-C1. Both the others are IPS TVs, which means wider viewing angles, but poor blacks (and therefore overall picture quality). The M has great picture for everything you want to watch.
I'm not sure how I did it but when I first setup my 65" model I was able to control my Samsung blu ray home theatre volume with the remote from the TV. That went away and I'm not sure how but I did make a number of changes through settings which must of done turned it off. I did try Bravia Sync and the home theatre controls through the TV but it still didn't work. Any recommendations? Will it only work through the ARC input?
If both devices support ARC, make sure the two are connected using their respective HDMI ARC input. Then on the TV, go into the 'Home' menu - 'External Input' - 'Bravia Sync settings' and make sure 'Bravia Sync control' is On. You might have to scan for the TV to find the home theater by selecting 'Bravia Sync device list' and press 'Enable'. Then go back in the 'Home' menu, select 'Sound' and set 'Speakers' to 'Audio system'. To get 5.1 passthrough, 'Digital Audio Out' must be set to 'Auto 1'. Those settings will work the same if you are using an optical cable instead of the ARC connection.
I bought the Sony x810C 55" which will be delivered and set up Friday by Geek Squad. I only want to watch tv, dvds, and stream Netflix thru by hardwired Roku as I do now. I do not want to use smart features or connect tv to internet or pc. I have read complaints about smart tvs having annoying issues like popups, ads, updates, freezing, app problems, etc. My question is, can I avoid these issues by never connecting tv to internet, even at setup? Or do I need firmware updates for the tv for other issues not related to smart features? i need to know what to tell Geeks when they come Friday morning. Thanks!
You might have to answer a few questions for the first time the TV turn on but you don't have to connect to the internet at all. There is no way to completely turn off all the smart features but you can turn off system updates (Home - About - System update - Off) if you want. Those can sometime improve picture quality though. That said, there is nothing to worry about the smart features. Most people enjoy them and the ones that complains are usually a minority.
Thank you very much for the review. I have couple of questions.
1. Can I use a Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 to control or mirror to this TV?
2. Can I use Skype? I cannot find the application.
3. What is the best web browser for this model?
You can use the 'TV Sideview' app to control the TV, and you can cast apps to the TV, but there's no built-in mirroring.
Skype isn't available for Android TV at the moment.
Opera is the best choice of browser.
Hi, I'm looking to get a 4K TV mostly for PC gaming and playing movies/videos from PC. These reviews are great but I'm a little confused about the input lag ratings. It looks like the lag is generally measured in "game" mode, and on some reviews you mention a different measurement in "PC" mode.
On reviews where PC input lag isn't specifically mentioned (like this one) can we assume that it is the same as in game mode? If it's 36ms as listed here, I could probably live with it, but closer to 50 would be a deal breaker. Are there any 4K TV's you would recommend for low PC input lag specifically?
This site is amazingly helpful, thank you!
There is no dedicated PC mode on this TV. Using the 'Game' picture mode, which gets you the low lag and with which you can get chroma 4:4:4, is therefore your best bet.
There's nothing in the X810C's price range with a PC mode that is significantly better for input lag, so we recommend sticking with the X810C here.
Hello. Could you please tell me if this TV is capable of 5.1 channel Dolby pass-through via the optical output?
Audio/picture would input the TV through HDMI and then sound would output to stereo through optical. Thanks!
Thank you for all your reviews. This is a great site. I just purchased a 65" x810c and I'm not happy with the picture quality. The upscaling is not impressive. It doesn't look as sharp as my old TV than I'm replacing, a Sony KDL -40XBR4. I mainly watch HD cable box, satellite box, and Apple TV. All of my sources are connected to a Sony A/V receiver, which then connects to the TV. I don't have a 4k source. I'm thinking about returning the TV.
I have two questions. Do you think it's the Sony A/V receiver that's making the picture quality worse? Also, which TV do you recommend for this size? Thank you.
It's likely a combination of several things.
First, the 65" X810C is IPS, which means it has a wide viewing angle, but poor blacks. That can have a negative effect on picture. Upscaling doesn't add detail to an image, but just makes a smaller resolution fit a TV with a larger one. Cable and satellite are not high-quality sources, so they'll never look amazing, not even on the most expensive TVs. You might also have had very different settings on your old TV, which could explain why the pictures aren't comparable. You could also try connecting your sources directly to the TV instead of your receiver, just in case.
For 65", your best option in relatively the same price range is the Samsung UN65JU7100. The picture quality is very good for everything you want to watch, and the blacks are deeper than what you get with the 65" X810C.
I am using this set with a receiver, Harmony remote and only 1 HDMI into the TV. It is tough to set the Harmony remote to switch between picture profiles, for instance, I'd like to do "Game" for PC and "Custom" for everything else. Is there any problem with adjusting the "Game" settings to my liking and using them for all applications?
No. Some picture options won't be available, but these are usually things we recommend disabling anyway. You should go for it.
I recently purchased the 55" Vizio M. We stream Netflix, Hulu, watch blu-rays and play games on a PS4, and also still play a good number of DVDs. I don't hate the Vizio but I can't say that I love it, either. Sometimes the picture looks a little softer and grainier (and not in a good film way) than on my 5-year old Samsung that it replaced. Sometimes with really rapid movement my eyes lose focus, which I'm assuming is motion blur. Also the Smart features are a little wonky at times.
Is it worth returning the Vizio and replacing it with the Sony x810c? Or should I look at something like the Samsung 6300? (4K is not a big deal to me, esp at this size, but I want the best possible picture for BD, PS4, Streaming, and DVD).
Thanks! Love your site!
The 55" x810c is a superior TV mainly because it handles motion blur better than the Vizio M. If you are sensible to the motion blur the Vizio M produce and that you still have time to exchange for the x810c, that is a good thing to do. The J6300 is the best 1080p TV we have seen this year but the price difference with the x810c isn't that big. If you don't absolutely need the savings, aim for the x810c.
Hey guys. Awesome site, and thanks for your hard work. The question I have is about Sony's X810C 55" vs last year's XBR55X800B. They are both similarly-priced, and I could not find your guys' review of last year's model. I'm looking for a 50-55" TV mainly for games and movies. Deep blacks are a must for me. Thanks a lot!
Get the X810C. We didn't review the X800B, so we don't know exactly how good its picture is. We found the X810C to be really good right across the board, and it has updated smart features. It's the safer option, and a very good one.
For contrast, the x810c 55" received:
Black: 0.020 cd/m2
White: 102.5 cd/m2
Contrast: 5125 : 1
Would it be possible to know what these stats might look like for the 65" x810C with an IPS display? It seems that the contrast for the 65" (IPS) is significantly worse than that of the 55" (VA), but I would like to know how much worse if possible. Thank you!
Unfortunately, because we won't be reviewing that model, we can't say exactly. The Sony X900C we reviewed was an IPS model, though, so we expect the 65" X810C would be at least similar. Here are the measurements for the X900C.
Black: 0.103 cd/m2
White: 107.6 cd/m2
Contrast: 1045 : 1
First let me repeat those before me and say you guys do a great job at informing people about all things TV related. There's no other site quite like this. I found your site the weekend of Cyber Monday, which was a lifesaver, because it just so happens that I was looking at TVs that weren't so great.
I ended up buying the Samsung 55" JU6400 because of your great game rating for it, and I figured the movie picture quality would at least be on par with my four-year-old Sanyo 50" plasma TV, considering it's newer technology. Well, it's not, just like you guys said.
I seemed to have a few differences with my TV as opposed to your review. Like the blacks seem very deep and comparable to my plasma. But, as mentioned, the 5.8 movie rating is well-deserved. The TV can't seem to process any sort of fast motion. Closeups are amazing, but then once something is 10 feet away from the camera, things start to get blurry/grainy.
I watched football this past Sunday on sports mode and loved the way it brightened up the colors and enhanced the sound, but whenever the camera followed a ball carrier, I would see a sort of sparkling around the outline of the moving players. Again, like it can't keep up with fast motion.
Distance and speed are definitely sore spots for this TV's picture quality. Things I love about this TV are the vivid colors when watching bright scenes, bright whites, the Tizen OS, and flawless game mode picture. But it's just not what I expected from even the cheapest of 4k TVs. It can't handle speed, when the scenes are dark the colors sort of blend together, the sound is all over the place, the picture blurry except on close shots, there are only three HDMI ports, and I also noticed some streaking when there was white lettering on an all black screen.
This TV would be great for someone who wants a cheap, decent picture quality TV. But I'm a movie lover and gamer, so needless to say, I'm going to return this TV and am considering the X810C.
90% of the time this TV will be used to watch HBO or play Xbox One/Ps4. The other 10% will be for some sports and regular channels. I just want a TV that can handle movies nearly as well as my plasma did and has a near-comparable game mode to that of the Samsung.
I've been reviewing your list of 55" and the X810C seems to be the sweet spot for price and quality. Is it worth a few hundred extra, and is the game mode even comparable to that of the JU6400? My only concern with this TV was that some people were saying the colors seem a bit washed-out, and I go more for vivid colors. Is this fixable or an issue with the X810C? It will be a basement TV, so minimal windows and reflections, but a good amount of light and I occasionally watch TV and play in a real dark environment.
Any and all help with this dilemma would be greatly appreciated.
Keep doing what you're doing. The site is great!
Unfortunately, it's common for lower-end UHD models like the JU6400 to have poor picture quality and features, but your case sounds unusually bad. Try our recommended settings and see if they improve things for you. In particular, be sure to disable 'Auto Motion Plus.'
If you're still unhappy after trying our settings, the 55" X810C is a great pick for you. Our recommended settings should work well for everything (and yes, the game mode is very good), and if you want colors that pop a bit more, it's as easy as increasing the color saturation. It could also help to increase the 'Brightness' setting.
Keep in mind, though, that the X810C still won't be quite as good as what you saw with a plasma TV.
Most retailers in my area have increased the price of the Sony XBR65X810C from 1499 to 1699. At this price, point is this the best 65" TV on the market for watching sports, movies through Verizon Fios? I am not a gaming fan. The TV will be about 10 feet from viewing and the room is not too bright. Thanks
The x810c 65" use a different kind of panel (IPS) than the 55" we reviewed. It will produce weaker blacks and contrast but offer a great viewing angle. For the money and the content that you watch, it is a great 65" TV. Other 65" options within the same budget may offer better blacks and contrast but won't be as good in other areas like sports.
Hey rtings, thanks for the great reviews. I have a quick question. Is now a good time to buy the Sony X810C 55"? Amazon has it listed for ~$1,000 with a 30 day price match guarentee, but I wasn't sure how the CES 2016 announcements might play into pricing in the near future, but out of that 30 day scope. Also, did you see any models at CES that would be potentially good competitors in quality and price to the X810C 55"? Thanks!
Although we like technological news and rumors, TVs showed at CES aren't always an indication of what end up in our test room so we aren't holding our breath. The x810c has an excellent value at the moment so you shouldn't hesitate to buy it now.
Looking to buy a 4K TV in the next few months and really can't decide if I should go with the Sony X810c or Samsung JU7500. I like the Sony for the price and the gaming specs of the Samsung and am a little torn. Read both reviews and both sets seem very good (for different reasons). Would love to hear your thoughts. Love your site, very informative!
The good news is that you can't go wrong with any of those two great TVs. Go with the JU7500 only if you care about 3D, local dimming and the absolute lowest input lag. Or else, save the money and go with the x810c. The picture quality is about the same.
To test for 4k @ 60hz, did you have powerful video card, because I cant get it thru my Nvidia gtx850m laptop.
We use a Nvidia GTX 960. Even if your card doesn't support HDMI 2.0, it might be able to push 4k @ 60Hz if you set it to use chroma 4:2:0 instead of 4:4:4. If that doesn't work, try the same using displayport.
I purchased the XBR-55X810C and the Amazon Video app does not work. Amazon support says it is not supported. Very disappointing. Do you have any further information on what is happening? I can connect to Amazon via the app, but anything I try to stream says UNKOWN_ERROR.
Unfortunately, you'll need to wait for Amazon Video support to be added to Android TV. Streaming won't work until that happens.
I just bought the 65" x810c. I noticed where you said there is an update to give it HDR but where I bought it from, the salesman says that this is not true! Can you confirm for me if it does or not? Thanks.
The update in question excluded the x810c so we fixed that information in the review. The x810c is still compatible with HDR files through its USB input and it can play UHD blu-ray discs but it won't be of any benefit to its picture quality since the x810c doesn't have a wide color gamut and that it can't get very bright. There is no 'HDR Video' picture mode either like other Sony TVs that fully support HDR.
First off, broken record here, your site is incredible for someone looking for what has now become a large ticket item for the home. Your reviews are very thorough and detailed and I join many others in saying thank you!
Now, my question has always been about parental control for younger children I have. I'd like the ability to lock out their ability to surf the net and even decide when I want them to use an app like youtube. Does the x810c from Sony allow me to have that much control via a passcode? I may check with Sony directly, but you guys seem to have such good information, I thought I would ask. Thanks for your help.
Thank you for the kind words! We are very happy to help. Unfortunately, there is not too many parental control options on Sony TVs. You can only block some of the broadcast content if you go under the 'Home' menu, 'Personal' and 'Parental Lock'. Another way to control internet access would be to use some router features, if available, to control when internet can be accessed. But that isn't as user friendly than an option directly on the TV.
On the x810c, will Netflix HDR content play? So for season two of Daredevil, will I have HDR?
It has to be seen if the content will play as HDR or not but even if it does, it wouldn't look much different than regular 4k content because the x810c doesn't have a wide color gamut and cannot get very bright.
Great site, this will be my absolute go to from here on out. I'm thinking about the x810c or the x900c, main uses will be sports, video games, and Netflix. Both are priced about the same, which should I go with?
If you are looking for an 55" TV and you normal usage won't be in a bright room, the X810C is a better option because it as a better image quality and a better contrast ratio. If you are looking for a 65" TV and would like to benefit from HDR on Netflix, go for the X900C instead.
The XBR-55X700D was recently released and slightly more than the X810C. I'm guessing you plan to review that at some point, but suggestions between these at the moment? Hopefully you get to review it soon as I haven't been able to find a single review on the X700D yet.
We do have plans to review it in August. Unfortunately, we cannot judge its performance until we review the TV.
I'm torn between this one (Sony 65" X810C) and the 65" Samsung KU6300. I feel like I'm leaning toward the Sony, mostly because of the 120Hz refresh rate vs the 60Hz refresh on the Samsung. But the Samsung's a year newer, so I worry that they might have been reviewed in different contexts, essentially making it apples and oranges. Would you recommend the Sony over the Samsung (keeping in mind that the Sony is currently about $120 more)?
Spec wise, both TV are close, but the Sony XBR65X810C use an IPS panel and the Samsung KU6300 that use a VA panel. Go with the Samsung if you will be watching TV from straight on and most of the time in a dark room. If you will put the TV in a room with a lot of light and where you will have a wide seating area, where some positions are going to be off center, then go with the Sony XBR65X810C.
Hi, I just have a question, is the X810C a better TV than the X750D model? Give me your personal opinion please, I really need it, thanks.
The 65" model of the X810C has a different panel from the one we reviewed. If you are looking at both TVs in the 65" size, they offer similar performance but the X750D is probably slightly better. They both have a similar native contrast ratio and the picture quality is retained at an angle. The X750D gets brighter and so is better for overcoming glare.
Is the triluminous worth the upgrade if I am just using this as a pc monitor/Android TV. In my experience choosing pc mode on past tvs disables some features. Just asking for future reference and is it similar to ju7100 vs js8500 difference.
The wider color gamut feature (Triluminous for Sony TVs, quantum dots for Samsung) is only useful for watching content that was specifically created for a bigger color gamut, like the HDR content in the future. If you turn that feature on in normal content, like for a PC monitor in your case, it will produce oversaturated colors and the picture will look off. Therefore, you don't need that feature in your case.
I recently bought a 65" Samsung JU6500. The judder was really a deal breaker because I always stream movies a lot. I am going to return it asap and thinking of buying this Sony x810c based on your review. My question is, is it worth it? Thank you!
If you are sensible to judder then it would definitely be an upgrade since the Sony is always judder free. Keep in mind the 65" X810C will have worse blacks, but better viewing angle than the 55" that we reviewed.
Where I can find the manual that detail how to adjust the picture, I do not understand how Sony no longer includes the manual and it is impossible to find. Via email Sony sent me a very very basic manual. XBR55X810.
It was included in our x810c box. You can find the online version here.
Are these basically larger X830Cs or would you consider these an improvement? I don't really see much difference between the two, yet this has a much better overall score. What is your thoughts on matter?
We consider the X810C an improvement. The X830C is IPS, so it has worse blacks than the X810C, but a wider viewing angle. For the price, the X810C is a really great 4k TV for just about everything.
The X810C is pretty similar to the X850C. The main differences are that it has less motion blur (and so is better than the X850C for sports and gaming), and doesn't have the X850C's ability to display a wider range of colors.
I'm currently in the market for a 65" tv. I was planning on going with the Vizio m65-c1, until I saw this review. The tv will be used for 70% movies 30% gaming, from straight in front. This review says that the blacks are great, but some of your other responses indicate that its only for the 55". Is it a deal breaker? Which would you recommend between the two? Coming from a Vision m550nv.
Get the Vizio M. The 65" x810c have an IPS panel that produce poor blacks and contrast.
Thank you very much for spending the time to answer all the questions asked. It seems like this TV is the one for me, though around its price tag and overall quality, is there any TV that can compete? Or we can call it best for this price? Thank you again for the great website!
There's really nothing else that is comparable for picture quality and price in 55", so go for the Sony X810C. In 65" though, the X810C isn't as great.
I am currently looking to purchase this TV, however I have looked at several stores' spec listings for this TV, however they all say that the TV is 60 hz, and that at 4k resolution it has a 30 hz maximum refresh rate. If you could please give some verification to this question, as I am looking to purchase a 4k TV by the weekend at the latest. Thank you, and excellent site you have here.
It is definitely a 120 hz TV. It can both interpolate 60 hz video to 120 hz, and can also accept and display a 120 hz 1080p signal - both things only 120 hz TVs can do. It is also able to play 4k @ 60 hz. It's a great TV, so go for it.
Does this TV's optical audio output support Dolby Digital decoding? I want to get a sound bar to go with this TV, but I have read that a sound could be degraded if you use optical vs. a straight HDMI connection. Would you recommend using a optical audio cable or a HDMI connected sound bar with this TV?
It does, and either of those options will work equally well.
In a couple of days the Sony 55X850C should be going on sale for $1199.00 USD. the Sony 55X810C is currently $1099.00 .
Most content is TV (satellite and OTA ) Netflix and upscaled DVD content (for now)
and extended PC screen .
I like the contrast and edge lit features of the 55X810C but the 55X850C with WCG is compelling at $1199.00 or even $1299.00 if the 55X810C is $1099.00.
OTOH the significantly more expensive Samsung 55JS8500 looks real good in the store on the oversaturated Samsung demo loops but probably wont look near as vibrant on bt709 content .
Any opinion on the Samsung 55JS8500 vs the two Sony's and X55810C vs 55X850C on bt709 content ?
For bt709 content there won't be too much of a difference in colors between these TVs. If we compare the x850c and the x810c, the later has better contrast and motion. The JS8500 will get you local dimming and will perform better in a bright room. Unless that is an important factor, the x810c is the better value.
Do your recommended calibration settings apply to the 65" as well? Is there a way to get a decent level of contrast on the IPS panel?
They should work fairly well, but the settings we recommend for the Sony X830C are probably a bit closer to the ideal for the 65" model. And unfortunately, no. You just have to deal with poor blacks on IPS.
I am about to purchase a new TV and was wondering what your recommendations are between the XBR55X810C or a XBR55X850C. With Black Friday sales there is about $200 in price difference. We aren't necessarily concerned with using the 3D feature (but the prices are so similar) and we have a Sony surround sound system. We watch a lot of movies/TV and we may use the use the PlayStation Now Feature. Our living room doesn't have too much natural light in it. Thanks for all your great reviews!
Get the X810C. The picture quality is about the same for your usage, and it is cheaper.
Black friday pricing: Sony 55X810C $998.00 Sony 55X850C 1198.00
X810C: excellent contrast, rear lit, cheaper, good black levels and presumably no edge light bleed.
X850C: Triluminous, WCG, maybe brighter highlights on bt709 content with WCG on and off or just on? Limited HDR but edge light and all that comes with that.
The $200.00 price difference wont make me loose any sleep (it's pretty close now ) if the 55Wx850C is a demonstrably better set .
OTOH the contrast on the 55X810C should make the colors pop and give it some depth . I will be buying something sometime this week I'm more interested in which set is better overall on bt 709 content for now and if the WCG on the X850B is a good investment for the future?
Unless you care about the wider color gamut and HDR, get the 55" x810c. Until we get the new bluray players, the wider color gamut is only good to get an over-saturated look (it won't get the highlights brighter). It might be good for animated movies but we prefer it off for most other contents. The x810c is a better choice for bt 709 contents right now but if ever you want to future-proof your purchase, the x850c extra features are worth it.
Will this TV work with wireless headphones? How about Bluetooth headphones?
Here is the very short list of compatible bluetooth headphones: Planex BT-07HS-EZ, Logitec LBT-MPHS05BK, Logitec LBT-PCVM01BK, Samsung HM7100, Logitech UE5000. Those will be recognized by the TV directly. You always have the option to use a transmitter (bluetooth or wireless) that might be compatible with a wider range of devices. It would be connected to the audio out ports of the TV, either using optical or analog.
I just got the 65" version of this. I mostly watch movies and football. I am seeing now that this has an IPS display and is not great for a room with four 12ft windows in it. Would you say that this is similar to the 830c but in 65 inch version?
We haven't tested the 65" x810c but because it has an IPS panel it should be close to the x830c for picture quality. It is harder to say without measurements for the reflections and brightness. It might not necessarily be similar.
I was the fellow above looking at the Sony 55X810C,Sony 55X850C and Samsung 55JS8500.
I ended up getting the Sony 55X850. It was one of your recommendations of course.
As usual, in web comments and social media and at AVS forums and in person, I will continue to recommend rtings.com.
I set the RGB based as outlined in the rtings settings outside of the expert 10pt calibrations.
After setting the black level to .016 & some visual adjustments in the various modes with some AVS HD709 images, I'm really impressed with the TV as LCD's go aside from clunky menus and Android OS will hopefully bring some fix like they did on the new Roku 7.0 OS.
I might buy a colorimeter and do the 10pt calibration here and see what happens.
The X850C push button remote isn't laid out real well. My 2013 Sony 40" had a better remote. Jury's still out on the included touch pad remote.
YouTube, Amazon Prime and Netflix work very well of the on-board apps I've tried so far. I suspect the firmware updates are improving the set with each one. This one came out on 11/24 .
I would recommend the Sony 55x850C to a friend. Lots of features, good color and sharp picture with the latest updates. It's even upscaling 480i/480p and 720p and also DVD's/BD's from a 1080p upscaling player surprisingly well and does a great job upscaling with 1080i/p .
FWIW the Sony 55X810C looked real decent also but I decided on the X850C.
I installed the latest firmware (11/24) update via USB and it improved the picture clarity visibly.
I got a decent panel without major issues or edge bleed aside from some clouding in the corners. No significant banding either.
'Murder test' grey screen was real good. Only some insignificant DSE on a full white screen. The set was made in 9/15. On the clouding, it's visible in the upper left of a movie with blackbars but not really severe. Is that typical of these edge-lit sets? I might rub it with a microfiber not too hard. I read that
may help. I would hate to trade it for a worse panel and it's not severe anyway .
Sometimes the set doesn't hold a color temp setting and reverts to picture mode default when you return to an input and sometimes not. I'm wondering if a factory reset and entering all my settings would help or maybe leave it unplugged a while instead?
Thanks for answering my questions. I picked the Sony 55X850C up for $1199.00 at B.B. They wanted $1499.00 for the arguably very good Samsung JS8500. After looking at the X850C and being a long time Sony customer, I went with the Sony. OTOH there was nothing wrong with the Samsung either. I have one of their 2013 Plasma sets I'm real pleased with.
Seems like you got a good panel. It is normal to have some degree of uniformity issues and since it doesn't seem that bad for you just keep the TV. Chances are that you can get worse. Rubbing with a soft cloth might help in some case too so we suggest you try (be gentle on the screen). We also run on the latest firmware and tried to reproduce your problem but never ran into it. Resetting the TV to factory default is a good idea and something you can try. Just make sure to write down your settings before.
How do I change settings on the XBR55X810C in order to get 1080p @ 120 hz? When I play games like GTA 5 from my PC and I use the TV as a monitor, I don't see the option for 120 hz. It only goes up to 60 hz.
In your PC's graphics card options, try forcing 1080p @ 120 hz. If your PC is capable, that is the way you will get 1080p120. You'll need to put the TV in 'Game' or 'Graphics' for the picture to look right.
What do you recommend between the x810c and the x850c (both in 55") when the prices I've found are 999 and 1100-1200 respectively? I care mostly about movies and gaming. The main reason I'd go for the x850c is the wider color gamut. With this in mind, is the extra color worth the slight disadvantages in other categories? Will I notice the differences in contrast ratio and grey uniformity?
Get the x810c. For normal content, the wider color gamut of the x850c isn't really worth it unless you like over-saturated colors.
Hello. I've been following your Q&A regarding using the 55" Sony X810C (or other Sonys) for use as a monitor at 1080p, 120hz. Has there been any resolution to the flashing dash issues on these sets, or is there any alternative TV that can do this without the added distortion? How distracting is this issue? I use my TV as my computer monitor and I've been hoping going up to 120hz would reduce some of my eye strain. Also, having a nice 4k set for all other viewing would be nice. Thanks.
No, the issue is still there. It is not that noticeable, unless you watch a lot of dark scenes. The main alternative is the Vizio M-series, though that has more blur on fast movement.
That said, just having a 4k screen should be a big help. The 120 hz capability likely won't be as important, so the X810C running at 4k @ 60 hz @ chroma 4:4:4 should work nicely for reducing strain.
Hey, so I just got this TV but when I put my PC in 4k the screen on the tv comes off center. Did you experience this? Do you know of any fix?
On the x810c, the TV screen adjustments cannot be changed when displaying a 4k signal so the problem is with the video output from the PC. Depending on your graphic card and drivers, look for a setting to shift the picture left or right.
Do I have a damaged unit? Immediately after my new XBR55X810C updated its firmware I noticed that the zoom mode setting kept showing up in the lower left corner without any kind of input from the remote control. I moved the HDMI cable from DirecTV Genie from port 1 to port 2, but the problem persists.
I also tried taking out the batteries from the remote control, thinking the remote could be damaged, but still the zoom mode shows up randomly on the screen. Anyone else have this issue? I'm going to pay close attention to whether this ever shows up from another source, but so far I've only seen it when using my DirecTV Genie.
It sounds like the zoom feature is enabled on the DirecTV box itself. Adjust that and you should be all set.
I just bought the Sony XBR55X810C and cannot get the Pandora app to send sound to my Pioneer recover via digital optical cable. The Pandora app sends sound to the TV speakers appropriately, but as you know, the TV speakers are poor at best.
Other apps, like Vudu and Netflix, deliver sound to the receiver via the Digital Optical Cable, but the Pandora app does not.
I have uninstalled Pandora, cleared the cache, unplugged the TV, and spent many hours on the phone with Sony support, and I've been unable to resolve the lack of Pandora to recover sound issues.
Any idea how to fix this? Thank you in advance.
Unfortunately, we don't have anything different to offer. You'll need to keep communicating with Sony to try to figure out a solution. But thank you for bringing this issue to our attention.
First off, love this website. The amount of information and detail is impressive. I recently purchased XBR55X810C and at first it seemed great but I notice some odd issues in the last few days.
•Clouding and/or washed out colors when watching certain programming on cable (1080p).
•The screen getting brighter and then darker at times when watching blu-rays or streaming (Netflix). This usually happens when the scene is somewhat dark.
I’m actually considering returning this TV. Do you have any suggestions in regards to the issues described above? Also is there another TV that you would recommend instead of XBR55X810C and why? Thank you.
Clouding usually come from a screen uniformity problem and will be more apparent on dark materials. That is probably why you can see it only on some programming. Nearly all TVs has some degree of screen uniformity issues. Unless it is very distracting, you shouldn't worry too much about it. If the screen gets brighter and darker at times make sure the 'Power Saving' setting is Off under Picture adjustments - Power - Eco. In its price range, the Sony 55" x810c is one of the best TVs we have seen this year. Before thinking of replacing it, try our settings for a few days and see if you like it better.
I purchased the x850c 55inch and was wondering do you think the price is worth the difference? One major concern I've had thus far is that on bright scenes the image looks grainy or pixelated. I used the suggested calibration (it was pretty dark) but still sort of saw this issue.
I see that overall the x850c has better ratings and I could save and possibly add a sound bar to compensate the difference. What are your thoughts? Or is there another TV in this range that's better? I primarily watch movies and sports no gaming will be done with the TV.
The 55" X850C is only a better choice than the 55" X810C if you want to watch the upcoming UHD Blu-rays, since those will take advantage of the wide color gamut feature and will look really good. In every other situation, the X810C's better picture quality and lower price make it the model to get (and using the extra room to buy a soundbar is also a good idea).
The other model to consider is the Samsung JU7100. It's a slightly better choice than both Sony models (great picture and very good smart features), but not as good of a deal as the X810C.
I'm connecting the TV to my Sony Bluray 5.1 Theatre system via both of their ARC labeled HDMI ports for surround sound audio, but the TV seems to only be sending stereo to my speakers on my PS4 unless I set it to Dolby Digital or DTS instead of PCM, and there seems to be no way to get 5.1 to work in this setup on my computer.
Why is this happening? What can I do? I don't want to plug my devices into my AV system and then output to the TV, because my AV system seems to make the signal RGB limited, with a 1080p @ 60Hz cap. Does 5.1 PCM just not work via ARC?
Unfortunately, you can't do PCM 5.1 over ARC with this TV (or any of the TVs we have tested). You'll need to use one of the other options.
Hello. So, I decided to buy the X810C. The review and the questions on here just made me feel good about getting this set. I use my TV as a PC monitor, I game and watch movies on it. So far I like it but i'm seeing a couple of things on the TV that make me question it. One on both left and right edges of the screen whenever I am playing a game anything that is brown colored like a mountain or rocks turns slightly brown and washed out. The other thing is the colors in my opinion just seem kind of gray and washed out not really vibrant, like there is a shade of gray over the TV. Just wondering if that is normal on this set or if there are some setting I should play around with. THANKS!
We noticed the washed out edges on some contents too (it is very apparent if you go under the 'Video' app in the 'Folder' view). It is rarely that apparent though but nonetheless a little irritating when you notice. This isn't just on the x810c though. We could see the same behavior on a few Sony TVs, even the more high end ones like the x930c. As for more pop in the colors, try to increase the backlight first. If it still isn't looking right, reset the colors and white balance values if you have use our calibrated values. They just might not be good for your TV (mostly unique to each TV). For even greater saturation, increase the 'Color' setting value.
Just how bad is the clouding issue with this tv? I have seen quite a few pics that look really bad but it always looks like the person taking the picture has all the lights off. I never have the lights completely off except in the daytime. This is the one issue keeping me from pulling the trigger. My first option was the ju7100 but no stores carry it near me unless they are just not listed on the site.
Thanks for the great site BTW.
Don't worry about it. We have seen better for black uniformity but the x810c is still good. Our black uniformity picture have been taken in the dark too so it amplify the problem. You aren't likely to notice any problem with some lighting on.
I'm probably going to get the Sony X810C but I'm curious on how it works with my cable box. Will I have to use my cable remote or tv remote or use both?
Usually, cable box remotes are able to control TVs. On the other side, the TV remote of the x810c might be able to perform basic commands on the cable box depending on if the cable box is CEC compatible. Look in the cable box user manual if there is such mention.
I recently bought a 55 inch x810c a few days ago. Picture is pretty darn good in a lot of cases. However I have been annoyed by one issue that I can't tell if its TV or service related. There is sometimes a lot of visual static noise on screen in dark scenes or on dark surfaces. I noticed it to be very severe when watching episodes of Breaking Bad on Netflix which is supposed to be shown in 4K. Even football on TV through COX cable the fields can have noticeable static on the field. I don't understand what's causing this. Is it the TV and can it be corrected? Or is it the service of COX or a bad HDMI cable?
It is mostly source related. Cable TV and Netflix (even in 4k) aren't of the best quality. If possible, try to see if this is also a problem when watching a bluray movie (but don't be confused with voluntary film grains). It is normal, to a certain degree, to see more of that problem in dark scenes. Another HDMI cable won't probably get things better. What you should do is to turn on 'Random noise reduction' and 'Digital noise reduction' then you will be able to control the issue.
Hi, I purchased the Sony x810c 55" a couple weeks ago and have been somewhat disappointed with it. The picture quality for blu-rays is very good, but I watch Verizon FIOS TV the majority of the time and it does not seem as sharp as my previous Samsung 1080p TV. Should I return it and get the Samsung J6300 55" and just wait until Verizon FIOS begins releasing 4k content? Thanks!
Have you tried our settings? It's a good start to great picture quality. The J6300 isn't sharper then the x810c so it isn't likely to be a solution to your problem. You should be able to adjust the TV settings to your liking. Make sure 'Sharpness' is at least set to 50. Anything lower will under-sharpened the picture. You might be accustomed to an over-sharpened picture from your old TV so try to increase the 'Sharpness' value some more too. 'Random noise reduction' and 'Digital noise reduction' help to remove noise/grain from low resolution content like for cable TV but they can also smooth out some of the details. Try to leave both options Off. For some people, image interpolation (soap opera effect) can also play a role as the overall perception of sharpness. Try 'Motionflow' both On and Off. Tell us if you are able to get the look you like.
Is there a real benefit to auto picture mode, or would you recommend leaving it off?
We recommend leaving it off. The 'right' picture mode is going to be right for everything, so having a feature that adjusts the picture mode to try to suit what you're viewing isn't going to improve anything, and will likely make the picture worse.
Can you specify more on what the "dash line" problems mean for using it as a PC monitor? I purchased this T.V for the 10 rating for PC monitor but this sounds like a pretty large issue if there are some kind of artifacts happening every few seconds. I haven't had the chance to test it out yet but I just wanted some reassurance it's not something I'll notice when I'm about 8-10 feet away on the couch in a moderately lit room.
It only shows up with 1080p @ 120 hz signals, and it looks like tiny, light, horizontal lines that flicker onscreen. It's a detriment, but it's very subtle on most video - we completely missed it until we displayed a black screen on the TV. At that distance, with most content, it shouldn't be a major annoyance for most, if they notice it at all.
Hi, I just purchased the 55" of this TV based on your recommendation to replace a smaller x830c. I wanted something bigger as well as you had pointed out the contrast, motion and general picture would be better on this due to the different panel. Last night I set it up next to the x830c and I was less than impressed. It's not bad by any means it just appears that the 830 is actually brigher and gets a little better picture than does the 810. Is there some setting I should be changing on the 810 to get the most benefit? As it stands not I don't think it's a better picture. Maybe I was expecting too much? I had others in my family compare and they both selected the 830 over the 810 which I was not expecting. Maybe I just got a bad TV? Appreciate your assistance or guidance.
Its tricky to compare IPS TVs (x830c) and VA TVs (x810c). For anyone that walks into the room, the better color of the x830c at an angle will first catch the eye. To see the better contrast and blacks of the x810c, you would need to watch the TV directly in front. Watching both TVs in the dark with dark content will also help to see the differences. If you want to do the test, make sure to use our x810c settings and x830c settings. Other differences might not be that apparent at first glance like for the better motion and screen uniformity that the x810c has. Watching sports is a good test for that, especially when the camera does long panning shots over playing fields. This will reveal any 'dirty screen effect' on TVs with poor screen uniformity. In the end, both technology excels at different things but both being watched in their ideal environment, VA (x810c) will deliver a better overall picture quality, most of the time.
Having a difficult time deciding between the Sony X810C and X850C particularly because we want a 65 inch. Currently considering both of these 4k TVs to replace a 7-year-old Samsung 50 inch plasma in my living room.
Living room setup is a little less than 10 feet away from the TV with a wide viewing angle having both a large sectional and recliner, primary viewing in the recliner is about 20 degrees off center and the worst seat in the sectional is 40 degrees off center (only in use when we have guests). I measured from the edges of my current 50 inch TV, not the center if that makes a difference, I couldn’t find anything specific in your viewing angle section.
I understand the 65 X810C is an ISP display while the 65 X850C is a VA display. I know an IPS is not typically desirable for certain seating situations, but for my circumstance would the choice be justified? Is my primary viewing angle enough to make the switch?
I know its not the best indicator, but after inspecting both sets in person I’m worried about missing out on the triluminos display, better aesthetics, and “future-proofing” (HDR) that the X850C would provide, but cannot justify the additional cost if the display would not be a good fit for my situation.
Our viewing angle measurements are taken from the middle of the screen, so the angles you have measured would be a little generous. The x850c won't be too much of a problem for your main sitting position but guests will have a somewhat washed out picture from the sides. If that matter to you, the 65" x810c would be a better choice even though it won't provide as good picture quality when viewed directly in front. HDR on the x850c is a nice feature as well as the wider color gamut but this don't make the TV better as a whole. It really comes down to if you prefer a wide viewing angle or better picture from straight on.
Hi, I am considering a new TV and have been using your "TV Size to Distance Calculator" to determine the best size for my room. I see there is a large jump in size recommendation between 1080p and 4k resolutions, which makes sense. You state that a 4k television will always upscale a lower resolution to 4k. My question is, should I be using your size recommendation for 4k even if I feeding it 1080p? For example, if I'm playing a ps4 game at 1080p output, on a 55" TV, 7.7 feet away (the recommended distance for 55" @ 1080p), would I be better off with a native 1080p television vs. a 4k television? Thanks!
For 1080p content, the size recommendation to use is the one for 1080p TVs, even for a 4k TV. A 4k TV that displays a 1080p picture is about just as good as a native 1080p TV. It smooth out the picture slightly but it is negligible. Don't hesitate to get a 4k TV if you think you'll be watching 4k content in the future even if most of the content you watch now is 1080p. The TV will be great at that resolution. If ever you have no plan on watching 4k content in the future, than save the money and go with a 1080p TV.
Hi, I just purchased XBR49830c and the panel has edge light bleeding problems. The blacks are not very deep black. Would upgrading to XBR55810c solve this problem? or should I go for XBR55850c instead?
All 49" TVs, of any brand, have IPS panels with poor black and contrast. The 55" x810c have a different kind of panel (VA) that produce deeper blacks. It would be a better choice. Get the x850c only if you care about 3D or the wider color gamut (more saturated colors). Unfortunately, all type of TVs can have light bleeding. If it is severe, exchanging the TV for another one is the thing to do.
What is the best 4K tv for judder free viewing. I mainly play PS4 and watch movies. I notice judder very easily and get headaches all the time from seeing what I call triple images while panning in game. I really love the soap opera effect except the halos it puts around people or objects. Picture is important but mainly the smoothest motion is a must for me. Thanks so much.
Sony TVs are good to alleviate the multiple image duplication issue. Since their backlight doesn't flash, the image duplication you get while panning the camera in low frame rate games isn't that much pronounced compared to a Samsung TV, for example. You can see the difference by looking at our motion blur logo for the Sony x810c and the Samsung JU7100. As you can see, on the down side, motion appear a little blurrier/fuzzier on the Sony TV. In the end, the x810c would be a great choice for you. It has a good input lag for gaming and would even allow you to use image interpolation (soap opera effect) while gaming without too high of an input lag (unlike most other TVs). Sony's soap opera effect is still a notch better than the competition. To avoid halos around objects, use a low 'Motionflow' - 'Smoothness' custom value of around 4 and it should be fine.
Thank you for your great reviews. I bought the 810 and am very happy with it, especially given the low price I paid!
I have a question about the cable box setting. My Verizon FIOS box let me choose 720p or 1080i (no native option). Which one in theory will look better?
My viewing is by far mostly broadcast television via satellite. I sit 10 feet from the screen in a room that is not dark, but not overly bright either. I've narrowed my choice down to either the Vizio P602UI-B3 and the Sony XBR65X810C. Would you have a preference for either, or another model. BTW, great site.
Vizio TVs aren't the best for cable TV since they have some issues upscaling lower/cable resolutions. That problem can be avoided if your cable box can upscale to 1080p. If that is the case, the Vizio P will give you a better picture quality. The x810c doesn't have upscaling problems but it uses a different panel that produce lower contrast. The picture quality suffers a little bit in a dimmed room. On the plus side, it has a wider viewing angle and is best to watch with friends and family. Pick the TV accordingly to your setup.
I have the xbr-65x810c and just did a firmware update on Feb 9th. Sony finally updated their website about the update stating "•Adds support for HDMI HDR (excludes XBR-43X830C and XBR-49X830C". Does that mean the TV could now play HDR format?
Yes. We tried playing an HDR file on the x810c this morning and it worked correctly without being washed out.
Update The full update reads 'Adds support for HDMI HDR (excludes XBR-43X830C, XBR-49X830C, XBR55X810C, and XBR65X810C)' so it doesn't include the x810c. The x810c is still compatible with some HDR materials but it won't get any picture benefit since the TV doesn't have a wide color gamut and that it can't get very bright.
The latest firmware apparently gives this HDMI HDR like some of the other Sony models. Does this mean HDR only works through an HDMI port, or does it work through the smart features as well? Can you please test this new feature? Thanks.
The update is for accepting HDR media over HDMI, but it just means the TV can accept HDR material. This TV doesn't have the ability to display a wider range of colors than average, or to brighten highlights, so you can't really get the benefits of HDR on this TV.
So I'm curious on your take on this TV vs the Samsung js8500. Is the js8500 worth approx $900 more than this Sony? What would I gain/lose?
Im looking for a family room all around tv. Cable, lots of sports, blu-rays for kids and Xbox One games.
The differences are mainly in features. The JS8500 have 3D and a wider color gamut that should produce a better picture when HDR finally arrive (very soon). The JS8500 will also perform better in a bright room because of its better brightness. Unless you care about those features, save the money and get the Sony x810c. As an additional note, the 65" x810c have an IPS panel that produce a worse picture quality than the 55" x810c we reviewed. Just so you know.
Bought the 65" x810C a few weeks ago. Installed by Geek Squad. Main issue is with wireless feature. Measured at only 6Mbps at TV. Useless. TV won't open apps at this rate, timers just spin. I get download speeds measured at 45Mbps at router, which is less than 50 feet away, so not an issue with internet provider. So ended up hard wiring. Other than that I'm pleased. Excellent picture, although reflections are more noticeable than with my previous TV (Samsung DLP). We just turn off lights and good to go. But again, wireless function is NG with my arrangement.
Wireless signals really depend on home setup. Good to know you could use a wire in your case. Thank you for sharing your feedback.
I've had the 55" for about a month now and the Netflix app has completely stopped working. It either just goes to a black screen or gives an network error message. All other apps work and I'm using a wired connection.
Since the Netflix app is built into the system, I can't uninstall/re-install it. I've tried clearing the app's cache and resetting the TV to factory defaults, but it still hasn't fixed the issues. I saw a thread on a Sony site with other people experiencing similar issues. Beware if you are planning on using Netflix with this TV.
Thanks for letting us know! Other readers will likely find this helpful.
Just in case, have you tried installing all of the available system updates and app updates? If you're not current for both, getting the updates installed (go to Menu > TV > About) might be a solution to the problem. Our TV has all updates installed and we have no issues with Netflix.
$50 difference right now between the Sony 850C and 810C. Which should I buy? I watch sports, TV, some movies. No gaming. Is the HDR worth the lower rating on sports? I don't need or want the 3D.
Go with the X810C. Neither TV can fully take advantage of HDR due to the low brightness and lack of local dimming, and there are not many HDR blu-rays available at the moment. The 810C has better uniformity which will be an advantage for sports.
When you tested this tv's bit depth, did you find that it is a true 10-bit panel or is it 8-bit+FRC? I bought this tv a couple days ago based on this review, but I am concerned it's not a true 10-bit panel and I plan on feeding a 10-bit signal from my video editing I/O card.
We don't differentiate between 10 bit panels and 8 bit panels with good dithering, and are not able to test on that TV at the moment. If you want to use our test pattern to see for yourself, a description of the test is available here as well as a link to the pattern.
Great Website and Info.! Please recommend the best settings to watch sports. I'm interested in having the fastest refresh rate to lessen the symptoms of a brain injury based visual vestibular condition. I read your settings recommendation page, yet, was not sure if I should leave the Motionflow on or off for my specific situation. Thank you!
To introduce motion interpolation (fastest refresh rate), activate 'MotionFlow' and increase the 'Smoothness' slider. The 'Clearness' slider introduces backlight flicker, so you may prefer to leave this at 0.
Hello, known that the X810C 55 inch Sony Bravia is an excellent choice. Picture is amazing, best that I ever had. I bought this TV cause it won best mid range TV for gaming. But now it's supposedly one of the few TVs without HDR for Xbox One S. Enhanced mode says HDR included, but I don't know about to activate it. Or what TV I should upgrade to with a 2016 model Samsung or Sony for $1400 down.
Since we don't have the Sony X810C in our lab anymore, we cannot verify it to be 100% sure, but if it is like the other Sony TVs from last year, when a HDR signal is detected, the TV should switch to HDR mode automatically.
If you want to look for another TV under the $1400 range, then the 55" Samsung KS8000 would be a great choice since it is on the top of our list when it comes to HDR gaming.
Gents, bought this TV on your recommendation and I am ecstatic. Thank you for you thorough review here.
Question. I calibrated my x800D with the settings you suggested. I did not use the white balance or colorspace settings you provided. I performed calibration using DisplayCal and Argyll with a Spyder 5. I was only able to get 99.5% sRGB and about 72% DCI-P3. What am I doing wrong here?
What software/hardware do you use to perform your calibrations?
To calibrate our TVs, we use a Colorimetry Research CR-250-RH spectrophotometer and CalMAN 5 for Business software. To activate the wide color gamut we send a HDR signal, but you can also change the 'Color Space' to 'BT.2020' to active the widest gamut.